Christian Ladies Discover The True Identity Of Jesus! Muhammed Ali

Hey guys, this is kind of cracked. Also, my roommate and my best friend, I'm from New York City, is um like one of the lead organizers in all like the free Palestine protest happening. So, she's also been like >> really tapped into Islam recently for some reason >> and >> I don't know this is another sign obviously. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, so you say like you grew up Catholic but right now you're not following any specific religion or >> Yeah. Like I would say that like I take a little bit from every religion. Sure. >> And like I find a lot of peace just like in all of like the beautiful messages and I think Islam has like some of the most beautiful messages. >> Sure. >> Out of all religions. >> So So how do you decide if I if I may ask you how do you decide what to pick from these different religion or these different books like what criteria can you use because let's assume something comes from God right? A book comes from God. Whatever that book is let's say we have five different religious books. One of them comes from God. Now let's assume if one of them actually comes from the creator of the universe and then I'm reading all of them and I'm picking and choosing. Am I not playing God in a way in that sense? >> Yes. >> Right. So I'm I I understand what you're saying. Yes. >> And I agree with you. >> Okay. Sure. So what what do you think? How can we know what to agree with and what to disagree with? Shouldn't that be dependent on what comes from God? Do you agree that is a basic that is a rational criteria to say what comes from God is what we're going to follow. I feel like we were just talking about the concept of Jesus like literally a couple of minutes ago when we were talking. >> Sure. >> And you know, we both grew up Christians and we were talking like she said something like, "I love Jesus." And I was like, "I agree. I love Jesus as well." >> Sure. I love Jesus, too. Let me let me join with you guys. Okay. Sorry. No worries. >> Even just like in a metaphorical sense, like >> whether or not he was the son of God, I could not tell you that. I cannot fact check that. But he really did believe that and he really did live his life and his path based off of love that >> God is. >> Sure. So >> he's a good like figure like religious figure. >> Okay. Let me ask you a different question. Do you love Moses? >> Yes. >> Do you love Abraham? >> Yes. >> Do you love David, Solomon? >> Yes. >> So they're all prophets of God. Right. So So why do we pick Jesus and say I love Jesus but not pick most? Yeah. So Muslims would say we love the prophets of God. All the prophets of God. We say you cannot be a Muslim unless you believe in all the prophets and messengers of God. If I reject Jesus for not believing him, I'm not a Muslim. We have articles of faith, six articles of faith. One of them is to believe in the messengers. That means all of the previous messengers that were sent by God in the past. So I cannot pick and choose and follow one messenger and leave the other. Now the question is why do I give a higher status to one prophet or one messenger and make him out more than what he even claimed to be >> and ignore ignore other messengers. So, so for example, have you read the Bible? >> Um, I wouldn't say I'm like the most well-versed, but I have read the Bible. I went to Catholic school. >> Sure. Excellent. So, what does the son of God mean in the Bible? Cuz you said, I'm not sure. Cannot fact check if he was the son of God. Have you ever heard this question before? What does it mean to be the son of God? Because what does son of God mean? >> Oh, children of God. >> Okay. So, according to the Bible, the Bible would say, "Blessed be the peacemakers, for they they shall be called the sons of God." Right? So any any peacemaker doesn't even say Christian doesn't even say believe in God the father or any it just says any Christian anyone sorry who does peace is the son of God according to the Bible. If you keep reading you look at for example other prophets of God right David is not just called the son of God. He's called the begotten son of God. Do you know where in Psalms 2:7 God it says I will declare the decree. God says to to you are my son today I have begotten you. to David in the Psalms. Obviously, there's no Jesus yet. None of that, right? So, you look at Ephraim, the Bible says he was the firstborn of God. You look at Adam, you have the genealogy, right? In the end of the genealogy of Jesus, it says Adam, the son of God. So, everyone, if you want to look at the biblical text is the son of God, right? So, what does the word son of God mean? It cannot mean what many Christians believe today, which is that he's actually divine, has all power to create a universe. And what does it that would mean you can do that, you can do that, I can do that because they're all according to the Bible sons of God, right? The word son of God, son in language has three meanings. So either you logically give birth to someone, you become pregnant for 9 months and then they come out of your room, right? Or metaphorically like you know some old man on the street, he wants to cross the street, I help him say son, thank you for helping me. I'm not his son, right? But it's it's a metaphorical way or adoption. Can adopt a person and say he's my son. Now we know Jesus is not adopted for sure and we know that he's not biological son of God right? God is not a animal human being that becomes pregnant and gives there's no such thing right. No, he is metaphorically the son of God. Which means what? Means God takes care of you. God looks after you. What does a father does to to his son looks after them, takes care of them, provides for them, etc. Protects them, right? God does all of that for us. So whenever the term father or son of God was used biblically, it was used in that sense. It meaning it was used that God looks after you, take care of you. But when you have Islam, we have a prohibition of calling God father or calling ourselves sons. Why? cuz people started getting confused and people now starting worshiping Jesus. The son of god actually means god. So now there's two gods but they're not two gods there one god and then let's add to the holy spirit you know and nobody can explain the tr to us when we ask the question but the thing is people started getting confused with the term son of god and they started thinking that actually means there's another divine entity or there's another divine person whatever term you want to use right so in Islam god has prohibited the usage of the term son of god and father instead we use the word which means the same thing that god looks after you takes care of you so so aba in Hebrew is the same thing the orithmetic languages right so sounds very similar right and it means takes care of you looks after you that's that's what it means right your lord who takes looks after you takes care of you so we are creation of god that god looks after and takes care of so when we look at the identity of Jesus now you have most Christians today they believe that he was uh had all powers and was all knowing and we should pray to him and right this is what most Christians believe today not all because we have so many different Christians with so many different beliefs right but The majority of them do. Protestants believe in the trinity. Catholics believe in the trinity. Orthodox believe in the trinity. By the way, even though most of them don't understand the trinity >> and and even even there was a survey done in America, I believe like over 50% of the people don't believe Jesus is God. They see he's the son of God, not God. But they don't understand the difference between the two. And that actually a trinity means he's also God in a way, right? So I believe most and and you can see this when I talk to so many Christians, right? Barely two Christians, I don't think there's one time where two Christians believe the same thing. You know, every single Christian I talk to will have their own perception of what the Bible says or who the identity of Jesus or any of that. >> Very different Christian like >> Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But they teach you to pray to Jesus, right? They teach you that Jesus is your savior or lord and all of these things. >> I feel like depending >> growing up Catholic specifically, I grew up both Christian and Catholic cuz my father converted to Christianity when I was about like 12, 13. Okay. Okay. >> So, I grew up in the Catholic church most of my life and then I started going to like chapel when I was like 13 years old and I resonated more to Christianity than Catholicism for a long time but then recently I started leaning more towards Catholicism and then more towards Islam which is very funny. >> Okay. Interesting. Um but in Catholicism they teach you to like you pray to like the Virgin Mary, you pray to like um all of the saints like all of the prophets like so it really like like per se like some people have like their like prophet of choosing. >> Yes. >> You know what's really interesting is that the Quran talks about uh there's a verse that talks about Jesus and Mary his mother. Like we have chapter 19 of the Quran by the way it's called Mariam Mary the mother of of of Jesus. is my angel. >> Oh, okay. Interesting. And and when you you'll be reading in the chapter, you see the story of Mary, the story of Jesus's birth, all of that, right? And there's even miracles mentioned in the Quran, not mentioned in the Bible about Jesus. So, we believe in Jesus, but there's an interesting verse in the Quran that mentions God is speaking to Jesus on the day of judgment. So, it's a future conversation, not right now, right? The day of resurrection, etc. God will say to him, "Did you say to the people to take you and your mother as gods besides me?" Right? So Jesus would say no I didn't ask people to take me god and worship me. Now when you say you pray to marry in Islam that's worship. If you pray to anything that is worship. If I pray to a human being I pray to an animal. If you pray to something then you are worshiping that thing from an Islam point of view. So a lot of Christians come to us and say oh we don't worship Mary. But there are Christians who worship Mary. There are even Roman Catholics that go to even even higher extents than what you're saying just just >> they have like altars specifically for that saint or for that prophet like >> you know I think honestly a lot of people don't know this but I think if you look if you track the history in reality I believe Catholicism is a lot more corrupt than Protestantism but it's a new movement and >> I think the original thing to look at I mean I I lowkey agree with you guys >> I'll tell you what's it called the the Vatican. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll give you reasons why. I'll give you even reasons why. But but I would say the the purest closest form is Orthodox. >> That's what I would say. If you track his orthodox I literally the the word went out of my brain. I got too. >> Okay. Okay. But but even Orthodoxy has issues within it now. Like for example, they have these idols and pictures. These are issues. But if you look at the beliefs I'm talking like for example the philoi I don't know if you know about it or not the preceding from the father the son the spirit all of this thing this is the biggest difference by the way between Catholics and and orthodox if you look at the Catholic you'll see they have changed the original church father tradition when it comes to that so the pope and Rome and all of that because it comes from a Greek tradition they introduced a lot of Greek philosophy and beliefs into the traditions right so they introduced a lot of things and a lot of changes. So for example, you have the idea of the priest forgiving your sins. Okay. Who gave authority to the priest to forgive your sins? >> Yeah. >> Why is Sunday the day of the church? Did you ever ask yourself that question? Why is it Sunday? It was never It was the Sabbath always. >> Why did it become >> It's because of the sun. >> Exactly. >> Because of the worship of the Sabbath. >> I had I do like I'm not speaking cuz if I speak I'm going to talk too much. >> I used to be really interested in religions. Yes. >> So this is an interesting one. >> So it would make sense to you, right? It makes sense to you. friend that you're going to meet today is a religion major. >> Oh, I can have some good comments. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. So, so, so I think a lot of people now are gravitating I see towards Catholicism. But if you really trace it historically, I would say it's very corrupt. Now, uh, Protestantism >> corrupt institution. Yes. >> That's like another thing about Catholicism that I would say more than any religion is very institutionalized. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And I like I like it like in theory. >> Yes. Okay. >> But I can't like get I practiced LE this year for the first time in like years just because I like the concept of it. And I also practiced a little bit of um what is it called? Um Ramadan. >> Okay. Interesting. >> Faster than normal. >> Yeah. Just to like I don't know. Just I don't know. I just been feeling really religious this year. But I >> I get it. You want to see the feeling. You want to try experience it. >> Yes. And a lot of my friends are Muslims. Yes, I was like so so I want to ask you something then >> when it comes to the the main beliefs like we believe in Jesus like I told you we believe in Mary all of that right now the differences are the following we don't believe Jesus was God himself you don't believe that either you said to me right and we believe son of God is just a metaphorical term that has been used that we don't use today we probably would agree with that it's not something difficult to agree with you may disagree it seems like you do disagree >> yes >> in the beginning was the worst >> yes >> at least from what I've learned this way really quick you Please. >> Oh, no, no, no. It's okay. Come back. Where are you going? >> She was trapped. She was >> Oh, oh, oh. I thought I thought she was leaving conversation. >> Okay, sure. >> I I would get lost on that one. >> No, I think because you were speaking about like the prophets and stuff before and I thought that was an interesting point because I know I was speaking I'm a questioner. I question all the time. So, this is interesting to me as well, but the idea of prophets and proceeding people types. >> So, the idea that For instance, David is a type of Jesus. That's why you got all of the connection. >> Okay. >> But the idea in the beginning was the word and if the word is what creates the world. So like the idea the words were spoken with vibration. >> Can I ask you a question before before you you finish that? When you say in the beginning was the word whose words are these God's words. >> No. Who's saying in the beginning was the word? >> Which gospel is that? >> Is it not John? >> It's John. It's John. But the who said that John is actually telling you the words of God? You know this this first >> I'm not going to disagree with I'm not going to fight on that one. >> Yeah. So you know you know the first this first part is a philosopher called Pho. This is a formula that he said in his pieces of literature before John. So John is written after it's Greek philosophy. He picked the Greek philosophy and he put it there. But let me even expect let's say okay let's accept hypothetically this is from God right? Where does it say Jesus in there? It says, "In the beginning was the word. The word was with God. The word was God." Where's Jesus there? >> I wish I could find the verse because I've had to read >> I listen I argue with my dad all the time. So I'm like I don't think this makes sense. That doesn't make sense. Blah blah blah. So >> they would say the word became flesh and in Among Us. They would use that but it doesn't say Jesus in the in the scripture. >> That was that wasn't as verse I was going to say. >> Ah okay. >> Another verse. >> But but listen but there is no mention of the word Jesus in in the beginning of of John, right? So you have to interpret it. But okay, why can I interpret it as well? I can interpret it. Look, in the beginning was the word meaning the command of God, right? And the command of God was God. The command of God is not separate from God. Your word, your command to create is your is you. You is not separate from you, right? Then the word became flesh. The word of be and it is the command of God became flesh. >> I don't see any issues with that. very interesting basic because you know the Bible mentions the word of God and and it talks about the gospel for example and people heard the word of God whatever right doesn't mean Jesus that people heard the teaching so the word of God does not necessitate being Jesus so I disagree with I'm saying even if I want to accept this Greek philosophy which comes from Philo it does not mean this logos philosophy logos in Greek just means word yeah even if you want to accept this philosophy doesn't mean Jesus was god or anything like that so but we we come that Now >> this is one verse. What other verses would you use to to disagree >> disagree that >> with the idea that Jesus is divine or God or anything like that >> to say that Jesus isn't divine >> to say that he is divine? Cuz we don't believe he is. I was just talking about the differences, right? So I I kind you kind of maybe disagree with what I say. So I was like okay because obviously him >> because you it seems you believe otherwise right. Me personally, >> I won't say that I have the strongest faith, but the way that things are, my issues are more with like the problem of evil. >> Okay, interesting. Oh, we can talk about that. That's okay. It's no worries. Yeah. >> Look, it's one of those problems where I'm like, yes, we create the evil in the world, but then at the same time, so if we say if we come and we say, okay, we have the original sin, and the original sin is what we're going to punish and live in this world, >> we don't believe we have original sin. >> So, what why do you think we live in a world? That is answering your your question of evil thing. The answer to that question. Yeah. I'm saying the answer I'm going to say is answering your question of the problem of evil. We exist in this life according to Islam to be tested. >> Meaning whether you choose to do good or evil, you have choices every day. You can see a a poor person, would you feed them or not? You can see your neighbor suffering, would you help them or you will not help them? Right? So the suffering you see that you think of it to be evil has wisdoms that can be good relative to other people. For example, I can see someone without money and I can appreciate God's giving me money. I can thank God for giving me money. Can be an opportunity of God to test me whether I'm going to help them or not going to help them in their time of need. So we exist here to test to be tested. And if we are be being tested that necessitates difficulties. If everything is right, good, all correct choices, how can it be a test? You need to have two options. >> You need to have two options. I I the idea though that like people can be tortured for the sake. >> Why does paradise exist? >> Why does paradise exist? >> Pleasure, right? Okay. So, why do you expect to have pleasure here in this life? Never ending pleasure. That's essentially what your question is assuming. If we don't have suffering, that would mean that we only have pleasure. >> But the fact that a 12-year-old or like a 3-year-old could be tortured to death. and die and then >> like could just live their life and like oh my auntie died and then >> you're missing a a very important aspect which is the afterlife. >> Now this life doesn't end a >> bad person like they might be a good person. I'm not even saying that like >> the million million or >> actually you know what I don't think you just say you've got a nice little >> coin. No, but it is it's okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm trying to tell you something here. When it comes to the kids, for example, in Islam, >> if a child dies in Islam, they go to paradise. >> This is this a position that most scholars in Islam like a million times, man. >> Yes. I appreciate my mother. She was like originally a Catholic >> and then she moved into like Reiki and like just kind of like more holistic practices in general. >> And she would always tell got into a really big argument like about a year ago. Yeah, exactly a year ago. And it was because my roommate, my best friend is one of the main organizers for like the Palestinian um direct action that are happening in New York City. And my my mom was like, I don't understand why kids would, you know, I don't understand why she's risking her position at NYU cuz she could get expelled. She could do this. Like, you know, like she's very much under like the belief that like at least in Raiki, I believe it's like one of just the main belief system is that like you are living the life that you are living because that's what you're like meant to live. You're not meant to suffer for others. like you can see suffering and like you have to make peace with it because you're here to live this experience >> and like not their experience. And she was like I just don't understand why people would risk their lives or risk their degrees with like you know people like you know like Ivy League. >> So that's deleting empathy basically. So delete empathy of the dictionary basically. >> Yeah. And I'm someone that's always very much suffered for others like I am always suffering like I'm so highly empathetic that it causes me so much suffering. And to like hear that in Islam you guys believe that like >> it's very important because >> that like took a huge weight of suffering off my shoulders. >> It's very important. That's why I was that's why I was saying we don't believe in the original sin because Christians would believe in the original sin that they would say a baby an infant is a sinner. That's why it would be justification for the killing of some infants in the Old Testament. For example, you have the original sin. We say no no no babies are innocent. You don't have the capacity to sin because you don't have the intellect to do so. In Islam, you're only accountable for your deeds when you reach the age of adulthood. You know, puberty. >> Puberty basically when someone >> different. Sorry. >> Yeah. No, no, it's >> different for everyone. >> Of course. Of course. Of course. Because people become uh you get puberty at different ages, right? >> Whenever you reach consciousness. >> Yeah. Okay. You could say that, but depends what that means, right? So, so when you reach that level, then God will hold you accountable because before that you're young, can make mistakes, but God even gives you the the rewards for the good deeds. So, if a kid does something good, God will reward him, you know? So, God is merciful and just and giving, right? So, he he doesn't take anything away from That's another thing is ever since I've like just started to apply like little like Islamic sayings or like I don't know just like I don't know when like when something like good happens or somebody like compliments me I'll say like malah I do believe in evil eye now if it's like a real thing and like my I've just been blessed recently like the last 3 months of my life there's just been like an insane amount of blessings in my and like I've also like just I've like applied certain things like just the way that like I've decentered men for my life in a lot of ways and like I've also like I don't know like >> that's always good. >> Yes. In general. No, I don't believe it. But I it was very much like a I don't know like we were talking about this as well like the fact that like so many Middle Eastern countries way before Western imperialism were like highly progressive and like very matriarchal in a lot of ways and the fact that a lot of Westerners believe that like Islam is extremely oppressive towards women but like in its core values it's the complete opposite. So I that's like what I >> Yeah. No, no, no. I think it's really funny especially that a lot of people I would say haven't read the Bible. I'd say that's the issue because if you read the Bible and you compare biblical speech about women versus Islamic speech about women, the last thing you would talk about is women. You know the last thing >> we're talking about the No, no. Like do you know I'll tell you something interesting. Do you know there's a a Christian hijab? You know what the hijab is, right? So the the Bible teaches there's something called the Christian hijab. Do you know what happens if you don't wear the Christian hijab? If you don't cover your head, you know what happens to you? >> According to the Bible, your head is shaved. That's not even in Islam. You know, in Islam is a such thing, >> you know. And that's in Corinthians 11:6. If anyone wants to check it out, you know. So, so Paul, for example, says if you read Timothy, it says that women are are supposed to be silent. They don't have authority over any man. They should be silent and should not speak, should not be teaching any men because Eve was the first person to sin. And and she misguided Adam. And now God has given them the pain of pregnancy basically as a punishment for for for the the sins of evil. What kind of craziness is >> it's a blessing, isn't it? It's a blessing. The pain according to them is is a form of punishment to account for that. So it's we don't have that. We women can teach in Islam very well teach. There's no such thing as oh the the the man came first and women came later which is what this these verses are saying. So you want to say something? >> No. Oh, you remember I messed No, that was me realizing I messed something up. >> Oh, okay. That's all right. So, so coming back to the idea of the problem with evil, right? So, when you talk about a baby and a child in Islam, that baby and a child goes to paradise and therefore in Islam there's a tradition prophet told us in the day of judgment the uh the person who suffered the most in this life from beginning of time to end of time he will be brought and god will dip him into paradise. Put him in paradise. He'll dip him for a very short amount of time you know like you dip something. is very short basically period of time and God will take him out. God will ask him, "Have you seen any suffering?" Now imagine the person who suffered the most in this life. Imagine everything cancer, losing your family, losing your hair, like losing your limbs. Imagine everything could possibly happen to you, right? And he will say by you, I have never seen any suffering. Do you know why? Because the overwhelming amount of pleasure and happiness that he experienced in that in that moment in paradise was enough for him to forget everything. This is how we are as human beings. You know, you probably would remember certain times in your life when you suffered more than anything. Now you can even recollect these times. You forgot. It's how we are as human beings. So those babies and infants, they might die for 1 minute, 1 second, whatever, whatever that amount of time is. But if if the exchange is eternal paradise, eternal never ending happiness, then the person who is suffering really is the person who does harm to them. Because if that person now ends up that person who's doing evil to them, he will end up in eternal hellfire. Whatever how long you look at this life, no matter how many years you live, how many years you going to live? Let's say 115 years at like the last oldest person I've seen or whatever. No problem. Let's say you're going to live 116 years. You know, you say let's say you every day you live past let's say 70 is a torture anyways. >> You cannot your body doesn't function properly. All it's a torture. It's misery. And then when you die now compare 115 years to to infinity doesn't matter. It's nothing. Most people >> it's insignificant the test that person who either does good or bad towards them for example look so many people >> such a tiny like even I hate crime I'll put that there but like >> I murdered that guy over there and then after that somehow I get hit by a car and then I die and now for the rest of my life >> sure >> I'm burning for the rest of my life. >> No we don't say that. >> So what happens? >> No. Yeah. No. No. We don't say that. that there's only one sin that can guarantee you eternity in hellfire. That's not murdering someone with stealing or because sins have levels, right? Okay. It's not the same thing. Like for example, if I say someone is an idiot behind their back and I go and murder someone, it's not Yeah. It's not the same thing, right? So in Islam, >> yeah, >> this is I've never been able to like talk to someone as well educated as yourself. >> I'm not very hard. >> Okay. I appreciate you just like on religion in general, actually. Sure. Um, what's like the take on like homosexuality? >> Sure. Sure. That's an interesting very interesting question. I will answer it right after I finish if if you allow me right after I finish so I don't just lose it from from from my head. So sins have different levels, right? Sins have different levels. And you see how do we deal with it? The only sin that will guarantee you eternal punishment is to not believe in God, to reject him or to associate partners with him. Meaning you worship someone else other than God or you disbelieve in God. Either both of them are disbelieving obviously to worship other than God or to completely reject God. That is the only sin that if you die with you have to die with because you could repent before you die come back to God. But if you die with that sin after the message of truth have been revealed to you and someone told you about the truth then you go to eternal hellfire. Now if someone murders, if someone steals, if someone there's always a way to make it up which is to repent. Repentance requires you don't come back to the action. You stop it. no intention of coming back and you give rights back if you can and you sincerely regret what you did. But if you don't repent and you commit major sins like killing or whatever, you will be punished for uh in the hellfire. If you're a Muslim, you'll be punished for a period of time. For a disbeliever, you've already committing the sin that I'm telling you about to get eternal hellfire, right? So like I said, this is this life is a test, which means even the death of that child is a test for their parents. Would you now stop believing in God that you lost your son? Who gave you your son to begin with? Allah in the Quran promises us suffering. Allah tells us we will surely test you with death, loss of life, loss of wealth, with suffering. And then Allah says, give glad tidings to those who are patient. Right? So we the point Allah doesn't tell you you're going to enjoy your life here and be in paradise. Allah tells you I'll put you here to be tested and after that test depending on the result then you'll either be rewarded and punished in the afterlife. >> So is it that they go to hell for a bit and then they come out? Muslims who commit major sins and don't repent, >> they're punished. Yeah. Yeah. Even we say bit, you know, being there for for a second. >> Yeah. And we don't even know what bit means that that sense, right? Allah doesn't tell us exactly how many like years or thousands or millions, you don't know. >> And then they go to paradise. >> Yeah. So this is this is the justice of being p purified from the sins that you've been committing first. Does that make sense? Now when it comes to the homosexuality question, right? So it's a >> this should Yeah. Yeah. Of course. really have to use the restaurant. I don't know by entrance, you know. So, >> uh probably one of the restaurants. There's a public one, but it's not nice. I think it's the stairs just so I appreciate you giving my giving me your time, by the way. I'm very thankful for like an Instagram or like some >> I have a YouTube channel. I can give it to you. Uh sh of course. So, when it comes to to uh Islamic position on homosexuality, now homosexuality is a wide spect spectrum, right? Now you have gay people, you have trans people, you have lesbians, you have different types of people. Right? So if you want to talk about for example why is considered a sin, why is not considered a sin, to what extent is there a punishment, we have to look at every individual case alone. Right? Now in Islam uh these actions, actions of homosexuality, the act itself is a sin. There's no doubt about that. Now if someone has an inclination like towards another person of the same gender or whatever it is, as long as they don't act on that inclination, you don't get punishment in Islam. Islam the punishment yeah the punishment is for your actions what you do not for the thoughts that you have in your head so you get rewarded for it actually for not acting upon a bad intention for example I can have a bad intention to you know like feed someone he's being so annoying so I want to punch him or something you can have an included because you're restraining yourself you're passing the test so these actions we would say they are sinful and we say what is the wisdoms you can look at and look at is it causing more benefit to to the community society is it not causing more benefit then you can from there extrapolate different benefits right so but in the same time Islam doesn't teach you to be hostile towards people teaches you to educate people to tell them about what is from God what is not from God what is true what is false etc but we know God created us in a pure nature he's made our bodies designed them in a certain way where a man and a woman can meet and can reproduce there's a reason for that right so God has made us in a way for a specific reason So we can deviate from God's way in any in different ways. So for example, you can have someone you know becoming a psychopath. You can have someone doing this. God created you in a pure natural way. But your community, your society can influence you to deviate from that path that you're born with. So that is kind of coming back to the first thing that we said and we can maybe end with that cuz I know you need to go which is to do with how to determine like what you pick and choose. >> Morality which means what is right and wrong only comes from the creator. Why? for two reasons. If it comes from us as subjective, meaning it's my opinion versus your opinion, and it's deficient because we're not perfect. But when it comes from God's objective, God's all knowing. He knows everything. He's all wise. So whatever he says will be perfectly objective. The second reason is he created us. If I made a phone, would anyone know more about that phone than me? No way. So if God made us, he knows exactly what is good for us and what is bad for us. He created us. He made us from from the beginning. Therefore, we say morality comes from God. So if someone for example says oh I believe this action is right whether it is shadow it is killing whatever it is we just ask the question based on what are you producing this moral ruling right if it's just your opinion and your culture and society we go back for 1960s there were mos hanging the community right if you uh look at uh go back few thousand years slavery was a part of the community you know just so if it's moral relativism and depending on what what changes in the society we keep changing every few days Okay. So the thing is God is the only one who knows what is befitting for human beings, what is good for them and what is not. Now I I didn't give you the copy. I know you want one or two. >> Um I will >> I'm going to be running around. Are you guys in a beaker tomorrow? >> No, no. We're here. We're here. If you want to come back anytime, you're welcome to come back. Of course, >> I will take one just in case. >> Of course. Yeah, sure. >> Um >> you want me to put it in the bag or >> or just the Quran? >> Okay, sure. Can I give you the channel? You said you wanted to see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. >> It's on Telegram. Uh, no, YouTube actually. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> But they have Instagram res or or Twitter, whatever you want to like check basically. But >> almost everywhere. >> Okay. Sure. >> But um, you know, I would love to grab one for my roommate. >> Of course. Of course. >> Of course. Can you give her another one for her roommate? Do you want >> The reason I ask if you guys will be here tomorrow is cuz I don't have a lot of space in my bag. >> I can see. I know. >> So, if you guys are >> I don't want to overwhelm you. I don't want to overwhelm you too much. So, this is the channel here. >> Thank you. And you're welcome to watch. >> You can send it to me actually. >> Yeah, of course. I'll probably upload this conversation. I'll probably upload this conversation as well. I usually >> speaking. Yes. Yes. But I I blur people usually. They're they're not No, there's no I will get home. >> I'll do it just in case. All right. It's a pleasure talking to both of you. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much. If you have any questions, you're welcome to come back anytime. All right. Pleasure talking to you guys. >> No problem. No worries. No worries. Bye-bye. Thank you very