Surviving the Soul Simulation and Loosh Farm

[music] [music] believe they're up there tonight, right now. And I think there are some reasons to support that idea. >> Like what? >> I think they stay away from big cities. I think they wait for people to get together in one place like tonight. And when everyone gets out of that game, they're going to be gone. I think they like people alone. And I think they talk to people with some kind of advanced radio in their sleep. >> All right. Like you think they do with your son. >> I didn't just think this up. I think at the lowest level, they send people on errands. They play with people's minds. They sway people to do things and think certain ways so that we stay in conflict [music] focused on oursel so that we're always cleaning house or losing weight or dressing up for other people. I think they get inside our heads and make us do destructive things like drink and overeat. I've seen good people go bad and smart people go mad. >> [music] >> I think at the highest level they do things that cause nations to go to war, things that make no sense. And I think no one [music] knows they're being affected. We all work out other reasons to justify our actions, but free will is impossible with them up there. Happy heresies and welcome to the desert of the real. Welcome to the virtual Alexandria. Welcome to AM by that ship smoke on the horizon. And that clip is from uh the great sort of 50s uh throwback UFO film, The Vast of the Night. A great film and I thought this just appropriate. I always think of our guests when I see this movie and very excited to see everybody today. Welcome you spiritual enturs. You veterans of a thousand psychic wars as Michael Morco wrote in the blue oyster cult song. I hope you are writing your own gospel and living your own myth. I hope you're running with those searching for the truth and avoiding those who have found it. My name as always is Miguel Connor and I am your pompetitus of Nosis, that madman across the waters of creation. And here you come to find those Gnostic mysteries. The only podcast where you can find how these Gnostic mysteries and insights and wisdom and heresies work in a modern world, work for you and work to break down the veil, the black iron prison. And uh and of course, happy holidays. Merry Christmas, however you celebrate. It's a great time and a time of gratitude. And I am certainly very grateful as always to be joined by my friend and my favorite philosopher and somebody that we have the same taste in movies. So, life is good and that is Jason Resza Georgiani. Jason, thanks for coming on the show. >> It's always an absolute pleasure to be with you, Miguel. Good to see you again. >> Likewise. Likewise. I still remember contacting you in 201819 and uh it was amazing making that's a gratitude we have sometimes in these places right Jess despite the arc on social media everything we do get sometimes connected with people that make our lives better and also these people are working to make a better world and I'm very grateful that you and I connected and we've been working tirelessly to somehow make a dent in the Black Iron Prison. Right. >> Exactly. How else are we going to organize a jailbreak? >> Exactly. Exactly. You got to get in to get out as Peter Gabriel sang in the carpet crawlers. And uh with us too also grateful for our friendship. Somebody I've known probably now about 20 years. And that is Graham Pong. Graham, how are you doing today? >> Pretty good. I'm I'm always a fan of going into the outdoor for the escape. [snorts] >> Led Zeppelin drop. Good deal. Good deal. Awesome. Well, as always, if you have any questions, please super chat them. We've got already a big audience, so we can separate them and uh find your questions or complaints against me. I'll talk a little housekeeping later on. But right now, as always, yeah, please support AMI. Don't forget the virtual Alexandria Academy is permanently down in price for $99. more than 30 videos and presentations and educations from myself on osticism ancient and modern includes I have stuff on Philip K. Dick, Carl Jung, William Burroughs and all that. So other than that, Jason, yeah, as always, I really enjoyed your book. Um I'd uh Thanosis and of course that is a fusion of death, Thanos or Thanotos and Nosis. Uh tell us why you decided to write the book or where do you want to start? There's many entry points. you know, any serious philosopher, I think, has to ultimately address the question of death and the possible survival um of bodily death. Uh I don't think uh you can be a serious thinker without doing that. And um you know we've seen throughout the history of philosophy even I was going to say from Plato onward but Pythagoras Heracitis all discussed this subject even you know in the in the Genesis stage of the history of western philosophy and then it becomes a major preoccupation of Plato. At least four of his dialogues address the question of life after death. Um and we should get into those at some point in the course of our conversation because one of the interesting things uh that um you can see there when you compare let's say republic and um um tmus uh to the gnostic texts is the way in which ideas like the demiurge have been adopted. and significantly adapted by gnostics uh to actually elaborate a framework that's in significant tension with that of Plato and the Platonists like Plutinus. [clears throat] >> So that's a subject that at some point we should get into. But in short, I would say that any serious thinker has to come around to addressing this subject. And since I sort of rounded out the development of my core philosophical concepts in uh philosophy of the future and my book Metapmos um I realized that you know uh it was left undone to volume entirely to the question of life after death. Although it's cropped up in other texts of mine in significant ways, it deserved a dedicated treatment. And um on top of that, I would also add that I I do think we're headed into a period of um calamity the like of which we haven't seen for thousands of years. And uh I address the subject explicitly in Thanosis. There's a whole section where I get into the very bizarre phenomenon of future life progression rather than past life recollection. Some of the same protocols that are used for past life regression hypnosis are adapted to supposedly progress people into possible future lives that they might live uh in probable but not inevitable futures. And a lot of those sessions um corroborate the data of some of the top tier remote viewers that we for a convergence of catastrophes that's going to result frankly in more death on this planet than has been seen for a very long time. So the question of death uh is something that confronts us all very imminently and um it's another reason why uh I felt certain urgency in devoting a volume to the subject. >> Yeah, it's a great read and again you go through so many different uh places from the ancient views of mysticism, science, uh reincarnation. I mean, it's just uh, of course, there's great pop culture references like The Matrix, uh, Q from Star Trek, Next Generation. That was when I was Roman Catholic and a teenager, that was my favorite be to watch because I I for me something about this, you know, lacking and arrogant supreme being that we mortals had to outwit was so f. It was my early unconsciousnosticism coming out. But excellent [clears throat] read and like I said you outnosticize the Gnostics in this book. I like I said the Sethians and the Manakans and whatever Bardau they are are clapping because again you see the sort of scaffolding or the warnings of the Sethians about what is in the afterlife the structure of what happens when we die and you couch it in a very modern way which backed up by science parasychology and all that. I know that's a mouthful, but one more thing, Jason, you and I have done many interviews and um I always remember just like you and Star Trek, the next generation, uh it stuck out to me, but I remember when we did our interview on novel folklore, the sadic the blind owl. Great interview, great book. But the one thing that always it terrified me, this is 2019, 2020. Yeah. pre-demolition of our society, pre2020 was the idea of that one scene where this angel comes from the afterlife and warns and says, "Hey, it's a horrible place. It's a" And it always stuck with me because I was like, "He's probably right." So, even this Persian mystic and author saw what was behind the veil, right? >> Yeah. Uh, so one of the most disturbing discoveries that I detail in this book is that the afterlife is no escape from the misery and uh existential struggles of this realm. Um so folks, if you're contemplating suicide, really think again. And I also say that as someone who has some fragmentaryary past life recollection myself and someone who remembers having committed suicide, >> it's not a great idea. Um and certainly the afterlife realm is not any uh you know uh domain of relief from the deceptions and machinations uh that go on in our ordinary uh realm of experience. So yeah um we can unpack that bit by bit as we get into the as we get into >> Sure. Yeah, let's do that. Do you want to uh which way western man you want to talk about the true nature of the soul or would it be a better uh backdrop if you talk about your uh the issues that you start out with your book the disagreement between monistic idealism and the Jamesian pluralism which what do you think is which should we tackle first Jason? Sure. I mean we could we could start with the latter and I can also provide a kind of overview to the structure of the text that way. >> The book begins as you know would make logical sense with addressing existing comprehensive studies of the afterlife. And there I look at uh and by that I mean studies obviously from the realm of parasychology or you know what used to be called psychical research. In other words, secular empirical scientific studies of near-death experiences, outof body experiences, um mediumistic channeling, uh and every form of evidence that there is for life after death. Uh so two comprehensive studies that I focus on are Jeffrey Mishlov's um basically assessment of the whole uh body of evidence for post-mortem survival and the other is Steven Browy's um Steven Browy's text immortal remains. Now Browy is a rigorously trained analytic philosopher who also wound up serving as the uh president of the parasychological association and he was the editor of the journal of scientific exploration of the society for scientific exploration for years the editor-inchief. So he is, you know, very well positioned to provide a really rigorous critical analysis of different lines of evidence for postmortem survival. And I sort of play him and Mishlov off against each other, which is kind of funny because they they know each other personally and you know uh Browy done a bunch of interviews on Mishlov's platform and so forth >> and of course I knew both of them. So, um, what comes up, uh, that's interesting from an ontological and epistemic standpoint in that first chapter is, uh, the question of whether there's any good reason to believe that we are all facets and aspects of one mind that is somehow occulted from us or oluded from our ordinary consciousness. And here I take aim at Bernardo Castrip's idea that individual human consciousness is a kind of dissociated altar of some larger some mind at large >> right >> uh which essentially is the old you know vdantic notion of our atman being an aspect of Brahman's mind right uh and of our individuality and our personal will being basically artifacts of of a veil of illusion that we're caught in. And you know, I basically make the case in that first chapter that we have absolutely no evidence for that. There's no good reason to believe it. And in fact, there's a lot of good reason to disbelieve it because uh among the the other consequences of accepting that view is that you have to give up the idea of human free will and self- responsibility. Mhm. >> So that view is really not compatible with an affirmation of um personal human agency. However many factors there are from biological and psychological to you know political that impinge on our exercise of our own agency. Uh still you know to have any notion of personal responsibility you have to affirm individual human intentionality. And that's not compatible with the idea of a one mind that could know anything going backwards or forwards into the future. Because logically that view entails the idea that uh all of time is an already completed logical matrix of possibilities that we just can't perceive have already been actualized in some way. They've been actualized for the one mind. So this means that basically you know everything we think is a decision of ours is actually just a uh consequence of a predetermined logical matrix that's actualizing itself from some level that is um superordinate or that's deeper than uh our illusion of personal a so I basically deconstruct that view and uh say that it's it's um also So uh of no value whatsoever to making sense out of the empirical data uh of from parasychology which uh can help us form a picture of what happens in the afterlife. Then I get into and then and that's a critique of Mishlov because Mishlov you know in his afterlife study basically adopts Castrip's metaphysics which I find frankly rather odd because and I didn't put this in the book because it's a personal observation but you know there was a medium who at one point um I believe it's right to characterize this person as a medium who we who used to do like past life readings for other people to try to identify who their previous incarnation was. And this medium told Mishlov that he believed that Jeffrey was a reincarnation of William James. And in the time that I knew Michlo, there are a number of observations that I made, having read William James very deeply, uh I could actually see how that would be the case. It I I found it very believable. And so this is really ironic that um you know someone who's potentially a reincarnation of William James takes a position that William James viferously attacked and deconstructed in your book >> target of William James's book a pluralistic universe is the idea of monism and that we are all sort of like facets of a one mind that um that somehow uh facets of a one mind that don't really know their true nature and uh only have an elucory individuality. James attacks this view in every idealist and monist and as he puts it absolutist that he can identify in the history of thought. And instead he promotes this vision of um or rather he forwards this ontology of a pluralistic pansychism where there is a uh there there are a plurality of substantively individuated beings engaged in a battle of wills. >> Mhm. and a perspectival strru uh struggle over the constitution of what we take to be reality in the first place. So James uh you know puts forth this view not of a universe, an integrated universe but a plurverse which is sort of fractured between um in some cases radically divergent in some cases convergent perspectives that are uh uh that are the sort of um locus of observation and intention and action for plethora of beings on all kinds of levels. And in some cases, James does talk about like a nested hierarchy where, for example, let's say the bacterium in your guts are also, you know, pansychically individuated entities and they have their own perspectives and intentions and interests, but they're part of your organism. So, it could be that certain organisms that perceive themselves to be individuated are part of superorganisms that they can't really perceive or wrap their minds around. But that's a very different picture than saying that we're all facets of one mind. Right? And so William James's ontology is in a way very similar to that of Frederick Nichze in his conception of the will to power. You know what the will to power means on an ontological level as a perspectival battle of wills to even constitute what we take to be you know the cosmos. Um, so that's the view that I affirm, this kind of radically empiricist pluralistic pansychism. And it's not at all incidental that the person who set forth that ontology was himself one of the founders of parasychology. I mean, William James was a leading psychical researcher uh in the formative phase of what eventually became the science of parasychology. So that's um how I address Michlov uh on the deepest level. And then in terms of Steven Browy also in the first chapter I look at his idea which is is very provocative um that various lines of evidence for human uh for survival of the human personality past bodily death be explainable on the basis of the exercise of supersai by living agents. Okay. So for example, people assume that poltergeist um incidents where you know objects seem to move on their own, you know, picture frames sway on walls or uh you know tables uh u levitate or let's say I don't know cutlery gets uh you know moved around the kitchen without anyone having moved it. They assume that this is some ghost basically wreaking havoc in their uh environments when in fact if you look carefully at poltergeist cases it often turns out that they revolve around um an emotionally unstable teenager usually young person like going through puberty uh like between the ages of like 12 and 16 or something like that. Um, and who has some kind of a emotional turmoil in their lives. And so in most cases, what we term poltergeist activity is actually demonstration of psychokinesis >> on a subconscious level by a living agent, what they call living agent side. And Browy uh thinks that he he tries to problematize a lot of the evidence for life after death by showing how much of it could potentially be explained in terms of you know supersai whether it's unconscious telekinesis or whether it's you know uh conscious agents sending deceptive messages to people telepathically like for example in seances is two things could be going on, neither of which is evidence for life after death. One is that the medium could be getting information telepathically from out of those who are sitting in the sitting at the seance table. Mhm. >> And so [clears throat] facts about dead relatives could be extracted by the medium telepathically from out of the minds of whoever's participating in the seance. or deceptive entities, you know, with a kind of trickster mentality might be able to ascertain that information telepathically from out of the people who are sitting at the seance and then convey it in a warped way to the medium to play some kind of a game with the seance attendees. Right? So in both cases that's a kind of uh you know display of of sigh by an agent rather than evidence uh for life after death. But my main argument against Brody in the first chapter winds up being that he takes this a little bit too far uh in terms of attempting to comprehensively um interpret uh all different lines of evidence for life after death within this kind of uh prism. And in particular where it really breaks down and forms a uh point of departure for the next chapter is let's say Ian Stevenson's uh rigorous empirical studies of children's past life memories. the body of evidence amassed by diversity of Virginia over the course of several decades um that points toward reincarnation as an empirical phenomenon is certainly not something that can be explained in terms of living agents sigh especially when you consider you know the correlation to birtharks and birth defects when you consider glossy we can get into each one of these uh there's there's no way that that uh body of evidence that Stephvenson amassed is indicating anything other than the fact that we do survive bodily death and that we have multiple incarnations. >> Yeah. Xenog glossy for the uninitiated. That's when you can speak a language that you weren't raised with or >> Yes. And there's a very um astute philosophical uh observation about xenoglossy in terms of whether it is um how do they put it um responsive responsive xenoglossy or okay so let's say somebody has past life me appears to have past life memories or is recounting a life other than the one that you know in consensus reality others uh recognize this person to have lived and as part of these memories they start speaking a language they've never learned. >> Mhm. >> Well, is it that they're just reciting stuff that they don't understand and they they're they're only ever repeating the same phrases and they don't really even understand what those phrases mean? Or is it that they're able to have a conversation in a language that they've never been taught? And that's called responsive xenoglossy. And Stephvenson found cases of responsive xenoglossy where somebody would would once they had past life uh memories resurface, they would remember a language that they had never learned in this life and they'd be able to carry out a conversation in it. And that's next level, you know, evidence for uh human personality surviving bodily death. not just personality but it's evidence for skill being bodily death you know um so and you know that could also explain cases of like uh what I mean is skills surviving bodily death could explain cases of virtuoso pianists and you know people who become prodigy violinists from childhood it could be that they're uh reincarnations of individuals who had already mastered those skills and that the skill set is coming across lifetimes, especially because some of Stevenson's cases involved kids who had more behavioral memory of their past life than visual memory of it. In other words, they would they would uh have the same habits as a deceased personality and and they would like enact routines and be good at things that the deceased personality you know had been had been known to uh you know uh had been known to have a skill in. And more of that kind of memory was prominent in some of the cases than like um biographical recall you know uh visually of particular incidents in the past life of a person. >> Thanks for that and makes sense. So uh I guess we should get to the the red pill moment or sometimes I call it the red pill suppository because [laughter] it woo but okay [clears throat] we have reincarnation again. Your book brings so much data to it. Uh we're not living in a Michael Jackson We Are the World music video. Uh and uh the stage is set uh in essence and hope you don't mind if I give away the Gnostic plot, but we are divine sparks being fed by archons. We are food for the moon as Ger said and you mentioned in your book. We are louch and we are trapped in a well in a sort of ranch, right? I mean to put it very blunt and basic >> you know the first person to make this observation in um modern paranormal research was actually Charles Fort. >> He was you're right >> in the 1920s said we're being farmed. We're property and this is a farm. And you know when you uh read through Robert Monroe's writings especially his book Far Journeys uh and you see how he develops this conception of human energy that can be harvested which he calls luch uh and the production of this luch uh particularly through adverse and intense emotional states you know um extreme desire uh uh anguish uh deep emotional suffering uh trauma uh so all these intense emotional states uh produce this energy that can be harvested which he calls luch. So you know when you combine fort's insight with that you might as well conclude that we're living on a luch farm uh as I put it in um Thanosis and this is an insight that you know others have had as well. I mean, Gurjief called it something like uh as asinin as uh some weird word um he coined for this uh energy that's harvested he believed by the moon and that if you don't um develop an extremely acute self-consciousness and very self-aware intentionality in life and you go about life living like a robot as he put that uh you're going to be basically energy harvested by the moon >> um and not be able to preserve your individuality. So, Gurjief also had an insight into this and I put um uh basically Robert Monroe's research and Gurjief's uh I suppose you could say theosophical insights together with also um Dr. Carla Turner's abduction research where many people who are uh experiencers of the close encounter phenomenon have also reported that the supposed aliens who abduct people are actually harvesting and processing souls >> and in particular uh Carla Turner's um patients or subjects the people who reported close encounters to her described the inside of some talic sphere where um you know soul harvesting and the manipulation of people between death and rebirth was taking place and uh I think there's good reason to believe when we look at you know other other lines of evidence in the clo close encounter research that this place that she's describing is the moon and that Gurjief was on to something when he said that, you know, if we're not careful, we're going to wind up being food for the moon. Uh, so I I suspect that, you know, in my book, Closer Encounters, my my tome on UFOs, >> I made an extensive argument um for why the moon is an artificial satellite. But where I go in Thenosis is to further that argument into a case for the fact that that artificial satellite is filled with psychotronic machinery of some kind which is involved in the attempted harvesting of energy from souls after death and the processing of people through an afterlife system that um basically denies them their own agency in choosing the conditions of their rebirth and funnels them through this afterlife in a way that predetermines the conditions they're going to be born uh reborn under. Including this, you know, afterlife uh what do you call it? Uh um life review, the life review that these entities uh you know subject people to in order to then manipulate them or guide them uh through the guilt and whatever shame that they are subjected to in the course of this afterlife review. So there appears to be this machinery that funnels people from death into rebirth. But what I suggest uh by the end of uh Thanosis is that there are also a number of techniques or sort of psychotronic technologies >> that one can use um abilities that one can cultivate in order to regain more agency in the transition between death and rebirth. And one of the things that comes across clearly in Stevenson's research that's important to remember is that there are plenty of cases where children will remember his ca his cases predominantly involve children's spontaneous recall of past lives which is a good way to go about researching this because you don't wind up with you know delusional adults who want to believe that they're the reincarnation of Caesar or Cleopatra. Right. [laughter] These kids have like very raw, sometimes traumatic recollections of their death in a previous life and they want to be taken back to their previous family who is identified in a lot of the cases and and so they have no reason to be making this stuff up. Um and so there are good um um uh what do you call it? Subjects to work with. And one of the things you see in Stephvenson's cases is that plenty of these kids remember the transition between death and rebirth. You know what happened to them after they um left the physical body uh and that led to them being reborn as part of another family. And in many of these cases there's no psychotronic manipulation. They're not dealing with archons or their souls are not being processed inside the moon or whatever. So these cases show us that the psychotronic control system is not comprehensive. It's not some it's not comprehensive and it's not being run by omnipotent beings. >> Far from it. Far from it. There's a way to get around them. They're finite and they can be outsmarted and ultimately I think they can be defeated. And so I end the book with techniques that um you know uh can become tools to that end. >> Yes. For [clears throat] the audience, he's not just uh like uh old man like the Simpsons, old man yelling at the clouds, old man yelling at the moon. Jason gives plenty of advice. I love this section where you talk uh you you say uh cultivate lucidity in the inter interlife, train the subtle body, transmute sexual and effective energies rather than broadcast them as food. Interrogate any guide and refuse all un unsolicited covenants. Reject the tunnel summons. Remember the summons. Remember the prometheium path is disclosure. Althia as anamises remembering loss of forgetfulness by which we stop serving as inventory and begin to engineer our own transit through and ultimately beyond the arantic prison. And again that's just part of the advice and techniques that you give in your book. So, this book is a good book and um on the idea of that yeah, they're not uh supreme these archons that it's more like we're in Terry Gilliam's Brazil or Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Your planet is set for destruction or something like that. Is uh where's the the story of uh where's the gentleman here? Was it the Dura Jatav? >> Yeah, Durgga Jatav. my favorite and it's so terrifying. >> Yeah. So, look, these people up all the time and I like to call them people, you know, the archons. Um, in that way, maybe maybe I'm not so gnostic because I actually think that they're kind of part of a Kafka-esque bureaucracy and they are they're very fallible like people and um, you know, maybe some of these people want out of this bureaucracy too. I think that's a distinct possibility that you know if we succeed in breaking the archantic system we might actually um have some people from the inside collaborate with us uh if if our hand becomes strong enough to make that play. But in any case the Dura Jatav um uh [snorts] incident is uh both amusing and and deeply horrifying. So, so this is some poor Hindu who gave up the ghost uh I believe in a hospital and his family is mourning over him and um he's been flatlined for quite some time. Uh but then he comes back to life, but he comes back to life with these two scars across his knees as if his legs had been severed and reattached. And this is the story that he tells us about what he experienced in uh the time that he was flatlined. Jurgatav says he was dragged away to hell by demons and when he got there uh his legs were severed. But immediately after that the demons who were managing him were informed by their superiors that they had taken the wrong person. And so they had to take Dura and presumably they're carrying carrying him because, you know, now he's he can't walk on his own two legs. And so they bring him over to this rack of severed limbs and he has to pick out his own legs so that they can be reattached before they send him back into our realm. And he comes back with these scars, you know, very unmistakable scars uh across his knees. So what the hell is going on here? Well, it it matches up actually quite well with close encounter cases where abductees say they took me by mistake >> and the grays took me and then they consulted with their superiors who are in some case Nordics and they're told that oh no no it was the neighbor down the street that you were supposed to take get this guy out of here and try to wipe his memory. Okay, so this is consistent across uh the literature both of the afterlife and of close encounter cases and those two literatures interpenetrate and overlap in a way that makes it legitimate to conclude that we're dealing with the same entities in the same realm in both alien abductions, so-called alien abductions and management of souls in the afterlife. So for example there are cases where uh a person will be in the middle of an abduction and they will see you know um their uncle that they were particularly close to and fond of and their uncle is with the grays and their uncle gives them some message to bring back to let's say uh you know their their um their father say it's the father's brother right you know tell your Dad, I'm all right. Everything's fine here. And you know, the abductee is wondering what the hell his uncle is doing there, cuz he presumes his uncle is still alive. Well, he's returned by the aliens. And the next day, they get a phone call uh at the at the family's house that the uncle passed away the previous afternoon >> before the abduction took place. So deceased people are seen uh in transit together with the grays by people who are being abducted by the grays and um one particular case of this in closer encounters but then came back to inosis uh is particularly striking and that's Betty Andreas and Luca's abduction where essentially the grays uh they freeze her family they put them in suspended did animation and then they take her um and I believe they leave her daughter Becky uh conscious as well and so she also remembers this having happened. Uh they take Betty to some facility underwater and it's it's described like it might be in the continental shelf or something like that. Uh, and the grays bring her over to these tall, beautiful blonde people, >> these statuesque, you know, people who look like they could be, you know, Olympic athletes or Swedish supermodels. And these these uh like 8 foot tall blonde people tell Betty that they're the angels. Um, and she goes like, "Are are you are you angels?" And they're like, "Yeah, that's what you people call us." And they tell her that the grays work for them. And what the grays do is they basically make recordings of people's lives which can then be played back to them after they're dead. >> And uh the Nordic uh archons who claim to be angels uh basically tell Betty that uh they sent Jesus into the world that he came from that light in there. She looks through a a huge rectangular portal of this light that's streaming uh out into, you know, the facility where she's at. And some of the grays are floating through this portal and going toward the light. And they tell her, "No, no, you're not ready to go in there. That's God. That's the source. He sent Jesus into the world. He's going to send him again soon." And then the the gray the grays take Betty to witness basically the extraction of a soul in the hospital. um and the fing of of uh some deceased person into the afterlife realm to be processed. So look um it appears that the afterlife realm is the same realm that's being managed by the so-called alien abductors >> in the close [clears throat] encounter literature. Another case um uh or rather another um uh incident that uh lends weight to this interpretation is a remote viewing that was done by Brett Stewart uh and a team of four remote viewers. And I I provide the the link for this as a citation in Thanosis because actually the video of this uh of the data from this remote viewing session was so disturbing to people that Brett Stewart took it down from off of his site. Uh but other people subsequently uploaded it and so in my book you can find the URL for that. They remote viewed mocha which is the Sanskrit word for liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth. liberation from samsara. And what these remote viewers came back with is that there's no moka. >> That if you even if you're a super high level yogi, you know, someone who has like worked over lifetimes to refine your consciousness uh and develop an ability to transcend this mundane plane, there is no way to get out of the earthly realm. there's some kind of machinery beyond the earth that lenses souls back down toward the earth when they're trying to escape. And Brett Stewart, his entire team, of course, you know, as is the case typically with remote viewing, they were blind to the target and they were independently tasked, but their um uh remote viewing data basically lined up and and they all corroborated each other in arriving at the following horrifying picture. They said that millions of years ago there was a war in this solar system and that a group of very powerful people who had a colonialist expansionist imperialist mindset wanted to use human souls for energy extraction and to basically breed people in order to harvest their psychic energy. and another faction of the either another faction of this group or another significantly powerful group of people within our solar system revolted against this. they they rebelled against these sort of um uh psychical imperialists or whatever, you know, luch farmers, right? >> And the rebels lost the war. And Brett Stewart and his team said basically this this uh war devastated the entire solar system. And I think there's reason to believe that the evidence that Dr. John Brandenburgg found for you know nuclear bombardment of Mars and you know the the uh basically nuclear destruction of the Martian biosphere which dates back millions of years is probably a consequence of this war that Brett Stewart and his team are describing. In other words, these people murdered Mars. And what they said is that the rebels lost the rebels were trying to defend human autonomy and human dignity and self-determination. They seem to basically have had what I would call a Prometheian attitude toward >> the um toward the um the destiny of of the human race and you know uh basically wanted to see humanity pursue an independent course of development flourish as a species with dignity uh and independence. And they lost this war. The rebels did. And he the team said, "These rebels are still around, but they're in a they're sort of dug in uh in a sort of unfavorable position and they're kind of waiting for another opportunity to challenge this control system." Uh so, you know, take that for what it's worth. I detail that uh at the heart of Thanosis. >> No, it's uh fascinating. Again, we've got Jason Resza Grojani talking about theosis. Excellent book. I see a few super chats there. And we should probably get to the nature of the soul. Why are we so valuable? And it's interesting again as you mentioned uh Plato's Republic there. It's no accident the Nagamadi library has the republic because that's got the allegory of the cave and the myth of which you talk about. You talk about different reincarnation afterlife systems like the Buddhists uh the book of the dead uh and it all these systems are kind of saying the same thing but you know couched in their times with their mythologies but the soul what is the soul why why are we so yummy why are we like steak for these people [laughter] >> yeah uh so let's get into that um but just a brief comment on the last thing that you said indeed I devote a chapter to uh various religious views of the afterlife because you know the majority of the study is an empirical study. It's a secular empirical uh study based on scientific evidence from parasychology uh assessed and analyzed by a philosopher. But there is one chapter that's devoted to religious views of the afterlife. It's a great job. >> And in in terms of that, I would say that the empirical evidence lines up best with some combination of the Gnostic and the Buddhist views of the afterlife. There are >> agree elements of it that the Gnostics get right. like for example the archantic control system uh and and the the archantic control system and the fact that even Plato was wrong to assume that there's a moral logic in reincarnation and that if you somehow like are a good person or spend your life refining your consciousness through contemplation that you're necessarily going to be born reborn under better circumstances. No, that's not the case. And the gnostics have that right. And uh and it lines up with the empirical evidence. >> Mhm. >> And and the Buddhists on the other hand, I would say in this regard, they give too much credit to the idea of karma having a kind of moral connotation. Now that may not be the case in Gautama's actual original teachings, but over the course of time, the Buddhist tradition, I think, had an overly moralistic interpretation of the idea of karma and one that doesn't line up at all with the empirical evidence either of, you know, uh, past life recollections from cases like, you know, Ian Stevenson's archive or, um, with, um, near-death experience accounts that we get, you know, particularly PMH Atwater's uh, archive. es of a lot of near-death experiences that are very disturbing that are neglected in the mainstream literature by newagy people who want to act as if it's all love and light, you know, after you die. So, so those two bodies of evidence that a lot of the NDE cases and a lot of the reincarnation cases basically um uh underline the fact that there is no simplistic moral logic to reincarnation and that a moralistic interpretation of karma is off base. On the other hand, and as a segue to answering your your question about what the soul is, what the Buddhists get very right, going back to Gautama himself, is that there doesn't appear to be any eternal and indestructible kernel of human personality. this thing that the Hindus call the atman and that you know conventional Christians are used to thinking of as the eternal soul you know you're immortal soul it doesn't exist it doesn't exist as Gautama Buddha understood our personality is sort of a uh it's a it's aformational matrix an amalgamated construct that has a complex warp and weft which can be pulled apart and put back together again in various ways. >> There's no core that the whole thing hangs around and that's transmitted from lifetime to lifetime. So, a couple of different bodies of evidence lead me to that conclusion. One of them uh involves cases of multiple possession of a single person. So there are reincarnation cases or what are assumed to be reincarnation cases that look a lot more like possession >> where let's say uh like at the age of I don't know six or at the at the age of nine six or nine something like that some some kid will go through a life-threatening illness maybe they'll be unconscious for a while have gone through an extreme fever state and then they'll come back with memories of a life entirely other than their own. And in some cases, they'll remember both their life and this other life that they didn't remember before. In other cases, they will forget their own life and they'll have only the memories of this other personality, including, like I said, in some cases xenoglossy. They'll speak a language that they hadn't learned. And what this looks like is that actually the kid gave up the ghost and who had been that child has left and another person has possessed the body of the child and it's that person's memories that are um are you know are basically being recounted by the child. Mhm. >> Or [clears throat] there are cases where a second personality sort of uh instantiates in the same body as an as as the one that came in from birth. And most interestingly, there are multiple possession cases where like three or four different people try to function through a single body. And um Steve Browy uh wrote his first serious philosophical uh book about this subject. It was called first person plural. And in one of the chapters he basically makes the case that certain uh diagnosis of multiple personality disorder or what they call these days dissociative identity disorder >> are mistaken cases of multiple possession. So I mean there's a legit multiple personality disorder, okay? But it has a different ideology and and its symptomology than what may on superficially seem to be, you know, the same kind of thing. Uh namely multiple incarnations in a single body. There are also cases where it appears that a single soul or personality will be copied after death and then instantiated into more than one person in a subsequent life. >> So that a what was a single soul is reincarnated as two different people both of whom have memories of the previous personality. and um and and the two of them seem to be somehow quantum entangled in exactly the way that uh identical twins are. So there's been a long-standing parasychological literature >> about the extreme psychic connection of identical twins. You know how much ESP and you know psycho kinetic um uh entanglement there is between identical twins. A guy Leon Playfair uh wrote a whole book about this called Twin Telepathy. Well, it looks like that's the kind of rapport that abides between two people who are copies of the same soul. And there's no reason to think just the way that you know multiple uh people can be reincarnated in a single body. There's no reason to think that there can only be two copies made of a of one soul. Mhm. >> All we know, you know, there could be three or four people walking around who are incarnations of the same previous personality. And from the moment that they come into this world, of course, there's a divergence of their of their personality profile and they start to be individuated as different people, right? But still deeply quantum entangled with one another uh on a psychic level. And so look, I analyze these types of cases, multiple um reincarnation in a single body. In other words, multiple possession and uh the splitting of a person into multiple reincarnations or or multiple bodies instantiating the same personality. And I basically show how what this looks like is the dynamics of uh the manipulation of a software file inside an information processing system that this is code that's being copied. Um it's a file that's being split or multiple files that are being merged and um manipulated on a coding level. So that if you take let's say uh um John Archabald Wheeler seriously in um theorizing that matter and energy are actually different states of information and that there you know in this Einsteinian matter energy equivalence there's a third term namely information and we're really living in an information theoretic cosmos right where then you know the data of parasychology is much more reconcilable with physics through quantum through a quantum physical framework and uh strange aspects of quantum theory like wave particle duality you know the observer's collapse of the wave function quantum entanglement all become understandable as artifacts of an information processing system so if you take that view seriously as I do [clears throat] >> it makes a lot of sense that the soul is a software file and it can be corrupted It can be copied. It can be merged with other files and basically manipulated in all of the ways that any informationational uh packet can be inside a computational system. So that's uh the computational model of the soul that I wind up uh developing you know inosis in a nutshell. And of of course if you want to uh look at the details of it uh you know you should read the book. >> Yes indeed. And uh it's all there and uh I think it was I'm not sure if it was Isaac Lura what cabalist also had the same idea that souls split and we can have various souls and then they move back and forth in time on different karmic missions. So these cabal were def I think they got it right and uh obviously today the most uh valuable meal in the world for our silicon overlords is data. So as above so below it would make sense for even higher up and vibrations and energy and technology. It's always data right Jason information. >> Yes. And now what this also means by the way that's funny information. You remember the prisoner >> have been thinking of that. Yes. That was a big theme in that show, right? And I mean, of course, it's a supernostic setup that the whole concept, but yeah. Um so the the very important practical point um or takeaway from that model of what the soul is and how it uh fits into a quantum computational conception of the cosmos is that if this is true it means that we can develop technologies and techniques to regain our agency. It means that all these archons are doing is using certain kinds of technology that we have not perfected ourselves. And here the Soviet term psychotronics is very useful. You know this term was developed in um the Eastern block in the 1960s. Uh, and from the 60s through the 80s, the Soviets and their Eastern block um satellites, I was going to say allies, but these poor guys, I don't think they really appreciated [laughter] being satellites of the Soviet Union. But, you know, a lot of these Czech Czech scientists, Polish scientists were engaged in psychotronics research. And that Soviet framing of parasychology is I think very useful because it makes the point that it's all about information processing and technological manipulation. And that's grim when you think of it being done to us, but it's also liberating because it means it's something we can figure out and we can control ourselves. And so I've been saying for years now, I mean from my first book onward that we're headed for a spectral revolution which is going to completely reshape how we think of the um practice of scientific research and uh you know attendant uh technoscientific invention and innovation to where everything that was assumed to be ethereal and spiritual or astral or whatever however you know uh uh intangibly. It had been conceived by various religious traditions and even by occultists is actually just uh aspects of the cosmos and um uh processes of our psyche that can actually become the subject of rigorous scientific research and of technological innovation and development. We just have to get out of this materialistic mechanistic reductionist paradigm that we're still stuck in but that it appears to be on its last legs. >> And we we need to be able to treat the soul uh like we treat any you know energetic andformational medium >> so that we can develop technologies and techniques. Remember the word techn that we get uh technology from which was the gift of Prometheus to humanity. Techne means craft. It means not just technology but also technique. And so, uh, we're on the brink of a new science, a, uh, science on the other side of the spectral revolution, uh, that will be capable of developing psychotronic technologies and techniques that allow us to gain greater agency over the transition between death and rebirth and have a self-directed uh, you know, relationship with thisformational uh, matrix. that's our soul. And you know what that also brings to mind for me is the the kind of um ethos of the Ghostbusters. Mhm. >> Uh, you know, at the core of that film is the idea that what we've thought of as the ethereal or the intangibly spiritual can become a subject of technological control and a problem to be dealt with uh by engineers and um I think that's very true. I think it's very true and you know in some ways it's um it's a desecration and people who um you know have this reverent uh projection of the spiritual as a an extra mundane transcendental sphere that they suppose is somehow more refined and subtle than the physical world will find such a conception to be uh degrading and denigrating and um you know crass. Okay. uh certainly desacralizing but I think by the same token it's it's extremely liberating and empowering and um I think that you know we need to entirely redefine our conception of the sacred and our relation to it such that what becomes sacred to us uh are works of art and um you know basically the crafting of beauty through the human will and imagination >> in in in ways that inspire people rather than a supposedly sacred realm that's been set up for us to worship and that's being used to manipulate us uh and to uh basically divest us of our agency you know especially after we die and on our way to being reborn. >> Beautifully said. Yes. And even [clears throat] Philip K. Dick said information will save us. He put it a much simpler and of course he saw the same system we saw him in. Yeah. Uh the prisoner has been on my mind. Patrick Mcuan I I always forget he was in scanners. He may think he was Roman Catholic. I think he was a cryptonnostic or something is he was really on the thing. Now uh yeah I wanted to bring in Graham but uh first there's a super chat. Let me see if you can answer it. Jason, thank you Rosie for it. It says Jason in Thanos, she's read your book. You outline Reichov's method of personality evocation. Could you expand on the practical side of it? What would you recommend for someone who wants to explore actually apply this method? Can you answer that, Jason? I've got to let the cat out if you want to answer real quick. So this is a particularly stunning um um body of evidence that emerges from the sphere of Soviet psychotronics that I was discussing earlier. There was a uh Dr. Vladimir Reikov who um I suppose you could say was a master messmeist. And there's a difference between early techniques of memeism that were being used in the late 19th century and the modern practice of psychotherrapeutic uh hypnosis. So you know people who are experts in this field would be able to to uh explain this in detail but there's some kind of a shift in protocols and practices that took place from the mesmeriism of the 1800s into the uh hypnosis protocols of psychotherapists in the 20th century. And Reikov seems to be working more with some adaptation of early messic techniques. And he design he designed an entire methodology for basically uh mesmerizing people into internalizing and adopting an alternate personality with a complete biography and with a skill set that they had not cultivated in their own life. So he would mesmerize these people and give them let's say the biography of a um master uh pianist and the the person would not only emerge from out of the uh messic sessions with the memories and the reactions that would be consistent with uh the personality that they had been uh programmed with during the session, but they would also emerge with skills that were consistent with that uh artificial uh personality. And you know, I mean, this is like just insane that the the idea that you could I mean, he did this with um to turn people into masterful artists, people who, you know, could barely draw uh came out of these sessions painting like whatever um master painters biography was basically implanted into them during this messic state. And Reikov called this artificial reincarnation. In other words, you could like actually condition and program a person into feeling as if they were the reincarnation of a uh previous personality or an entirely concocted personality who had a skill set that they themselves hadn't developed in their life. and the person who had gone through this uh I don't know whether you want to call it therapy or whatever this conditioning would actually come out with the skill set of that person. So, you know, I uh I believe Reikov's um papers are available. I mean, they were they were reviewed by Ostrander and Schroeder in their monumental book, Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain, which is the source that I site in Thanosis. But, you know, someone who wanted to learn this protocol would have to go actually dig up Rikov's papers, even if they're in Russian. These days, with AI, I mean, you could produce a translation of them in 10 minutes. So I would read through those and in fact I intend to do that as soon as I have the time. It's one of the things I'm definitely going to look into is this uh because I think as I suggest toward the end of Thanos it's one very useful technique for gaining greater agency over the conditions of one's reincarnation. In other words, you could start to develop the personality of your subsequent incarnation in this life and begin to imprint this uh this uh personality profile onto your own. um before you even you know are are in a situation where you have to navigate to the conditions uh of the incarnation of this person, you you could start to shape the personality that you want to be in your subsequent life. and then combine that with other techniques like for example learning astral projection and pre-cognitive remote viewing so that let's say you could scan the future for an optimal time and place that you would want to be reborn and you could repeatedly astral project to the home environment of the family into which you would want to be reborn and then let's say you would use Rikov's method to imprint yourself with a personality profile uh of the of the individual that you would want to become in your subsequent incarnation. That's whatever kind of transformation of the person that you are now. And all of these techniques could be combined in a way that affords you greater agency over the transition between death and rebirth and allows you to do an endun around the archic control system. Right? And in terms of doing an endun around the archic control system, remember folks, do not go into the light. It is a soul magnet. It's produced by some kind of machinery and you know you go in there and then next thing you know you're seeing Jesus or Krishna and you're seeing dead relatives that died decades ago that are supposedly supposedly haven't been reincarnated even though we know the interval between death and rebirth on average is like three or four years maybe sometimes only nine months. Um it's hardly ever a decade or more than that. And yet people who go into this light, they see, you know, their grandma who died decades ago, uh, trying to basically get them to accept their circumstances in the afterlife. Those are similacra and it's part of an arcant control system. Don't go into the light and wind up being subjected to these manipulative uh, similacra. >> Well said. Yeah, I think and even [clears throat] uh the Gnostic texts have simple techniques like the apocalypse of James says if the archons catch you just say I am not of this realm and they will leave you alone. The gospel of Thomas says when the archon stop you what is the evidence of the kingdom of the father within you. You just say it's a movement and a meditation and the archon. So they're simple if you want to if all you need is a quick hits quick m you don't have to like uh remember all the magical passwords those are a few so there [clears throat] are solutions in the gnostic gospels and certainly in um certainly in uh yeah Jason's book and of course uh father Malachi Martin famously was the one who said don't go to the light because Lucifer acts like an angel of light too. So even in the church, the exorcists have gotten smart. So as Yeah. And as we we are getting slowly or close to the end, what do you think, Graham? How's the chat doing and what's going on? >> Oh, chat's pretty well behaved. Uh um I was going to sit there and say for, you know, I've been enjoying this, Jason. I uh I think this is very much needed since uh we started in 2020 what I've what I've termed the great dying. And I think as a society we have to come to terms with that. And uh you know you re you come to a lot of the same conclusions that I have like reincarnation I've often termed as reincarceration again >> right >> and [snorts] uh you know >> go ahead Miguel. No, I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, even Jason talks about the Buddhists and the Gnostics see reincarnation as vile something hate. Not like you say newagers. I'll come back next time and get it right. >> Well, [laughter] although let me make this point. This is a very important point where I I beg to differ from a lot of the Gnostics and and Buddhists. And that's that Yeah. I mean, it's vile because we're being reincarnated into a prison planet and uh you know, we're being dumped back onto a louch farm. But if we were to free this world from that control system and dismantle the control system, uh reincarnation will be wonderful, especially if we figure out how to be reincarnated with our memories of our past life intact. Right? So one way in which the Prometheian philosophical project that I've been unfolding over you know the course of 15 books now differs both fromnosticism and from Buddhism is that uh I don't see any evidence for some plurma beyond this world >> and [clears throat] I I think that Nichch's attacks on uh the idea of a transcendental realm were entirely justified and he was right to think that they express a kind of lifenegating um mentality. Uh and that kind of escapism we're getting something some feedback through a mic. >> I think it's from Graham. >> Yeah. Um that kind of escapism uh is also endemic to Buddhism. So you know the idea that the only the idea that the only way out of uh being in a realm of constant suffering is to achieve nirvana which literally means the blowing out of the flame of personal consciousness. In other words, the annihilation of one's um individuality is to my mind very nihilistic and lifengating. Uh my aim, the aim of my philosophical project is to dismantle this archantic control system so that we can live in a world of our own making and that you know we we can develop psychotronic techniques that allow us to maintain our personality albeit an evolving personality that you know uh learns more and develops more from lifetime to lifetime but where you know we aren't subjected to this attempt ED memory wipe every time we die, which is tremendously disempowering. And where we're living in a world, like I said, that's of our own making, where, you know, of course, it will be imperfect. >> Uh, you know, we'll make plenty of mistakes socially, politically, but at least we won't be manipulated by hidden hands, you know, and treated like livestock. So that's my goal because I you know I think there's only one world. Uh, you know, one of the the main targets of my philosophical project is ontological dualism. >> And my conception of the spectral deconstructs that in a way where, you know, the entire cosmos is seen as a dynamic process of becoming, which is also an information processing. And um, what we take to be matter and spirit or matter and energy are all just different states of information. Uh and what we ultimately ultimately need to do is develop a more sophisticated refined uh understanding of how to manipulate information in ways that are personally empowering and that are uh expressions of our creative agency. >> Beautifully said and I agree. >> Yeah. Uh my quick counter to that though is I do think that this is the world that people have chosen to be made because I think your psychotronic moon technology is all based off of religion and the voluntary choice for those uh those souls to basically bind themselves to the technology because from my experience you see Jesus and the relatives before going into the light. those are part of the uh what entices you to go into the light at least at least from my experience that's how it works but I I do think that unfortunately this is the world that the uh you know this is a co-created world of of all the souls in it and I think it's the the current voluntary creation of it and we need to figure out some way to get people to choose differently and that's the problem is how do you get people to choose differently when they've adopted that plantation mentality when they it's that choice to become domesticated. That's the problem. At least that's my take on it. I'm going to tag off to you now, Jason. >> It's like the allegory of the cave in Plato's Republic. It's just like the allegory of the cave. So, this one guy who manages to break his chains and get loose so that he can uh scamper up out of the cave goes up into the, you know, realm of light. comes out from underground and you know sees the actual world with like the sun in the sky and trees and mountains and whatever. And this poor uh beneficent altruistic person who has you know seen the light uh comes back instead of living going about his business and enjoying the realm of light uh he's a bleeding heart who wants to go back down into the cave and get everybody else there to see the light. And these porchmoks are down there, you know, bound in such a way that their faces can only look forward at a uh basically cave wall. Um where they're witnessing uh shadows that are being projected onto the cave wall by arantic controllers who are standing on a platform that they can't see above and behind them. And these archons are holding various mockups in front of a fire, various, you know, uh, props. And these props are projecting their shadow, you know, on account of the fire, the the shadows of the props are being projected onto the cave wall. And that's the only reality that these poor prisoners know. And so this guy comes down and he wants to unshackle the prisoners so that they can see the realm of light. And he's trying to explain to them, folks, this is not reality. You're in some kind of virtual reality and you're being deluded and all you see are shadows and there's this whole world out there. And what do they want to do? Instead of being unshackled by this guy, they want to murder him. >> They want him to shut up. And when he doesn't shut up, they want to kill him for having come down to open their eyes to the truth and to to basically instigate a rebellion on their part uh and basically organize a prison break. No, they want their slavery. They want to remain in chains and they will kill anybody who is trying to free them from the uh delusions um that are keeping them in chain. So, and of course Plato, you know, meant this as as a kind of allegory of what happened to Socrates. Right. >> Right. Of course. Of course. So yeah, you're making a very good point, Graham, is that you know a lot of people the system is still in place because the majority of people want to be in prison and you know what do you do with that? What's the solution to that? >> So yeah. >> Well, [clears throat] I would say one of it is to recognize those aronic shadow casters. They're basically the non-g good souls that freed themselves, climbed into the light, and they sat there and went back and said, "Hey, instead of trying to free the people, I can make money off of throwing some shadows at them. I can control them this way." >> Yep. you know, and that and they're the ones that basically, you know, when one of the good souls slip past them to try to free him, they they cast shadows to try to turn the the sheeple against the uh against the uh uh the the one the savior that wants to free him. >> Let me get this uh super chat to crossover maniac. Thank you. $5. This sounds like Scientology. Did Elron Hubard copy these ideas? Well, he kind of did, right? the myth of Zeno and the theatens, how we're trapped in this planet and forgot. Yeah, very gnostic. The poor mythology. >> Make us a brief response to that question because it's relevant to what we were just what what Graham was just saying. What Graham was just saying. Elron Hubard is a perfect example, albeit on a microcosm level, of these people who figure something out that's actually legit, and then they use the knowledge they have just to manipulate other people instead of enlightening them. >> Because, you know, by the way, in my Substack, I just came out with a piece on Jack Parsons. And in the the piece on Jack Parsons in my Substack, I talk about his relationship with Elron Hubard when Hubard was still developing Dionetics and before he had started Scientology. And by the way, Hubard joked to Parsons at one point. He said, you know, people are so stupid. I bet you even I could start a religion. And um what the relationship between Hubard and Parsons tells you is that Elron Hubard was no uh dummy. I mean, this guy, look, if you're if you gain that degree of respect from Jack Parsons and you're able to manipulate him the way that Hubard manipulated Parsons, uh, then you're you have a very sophisticated and interesting view of the world. Okay. But Hubard took that knowledge and he used it to spin lies and you know to engage in various man uh machinations um and set up ultimately a very arantic control system to basically manipulate and exploit people which is the church of Scientology. But did Hubard himself figure out some things about how the the cosmos actually works? Probably. I mean is it part of is it presented um in a uh veritical way in the writings of Scientology? Absolutely not. Because whatever he did he did to twist it and and you know spin it in a way that's going to allow him to most effectively manipulate people. But yeah, I would say in between the lines there, you can probably, you know, reconstruct, you know, some insights that were legitimate on his part and that made him, for example, an interesting person in the eyes of Jack Parsons. >> No, I would Yeah, I would agree. It's the old limited hangout. Give him 90% of the truth and that 10%, you know, same old same old. We've seen it all. We've seen it all. Well, awesome. Well, we are getting at the end. Um, I wanted to quick housekeeping and as always, please support. I wanted to let people know that I'm working on sort of rebooting Aon Bite or getting more to my core mission in 2026 uh with the Elvis book and the David Bowie book and other things I sort of got track lost track to. I want to get back to things we were talking about today. techniques to help you break the simulation, more corn cornostic concepts that work for today. So, I'm gonna have maybe get off of YouTube a lot of things off of YouTube and work these things behind the in private where I won't get censored, but yeah, I'm going to get back to basics. That's what you people have spoken about. That's what my intuition has told me. And I appreciate you guys being here again. Also, the reason too, uh, sometimes you got to change. This is uh been as many of you know 2025 was a very rough year for me. It was an apocalypse in many ways. My health issue August and September just uh took me out of work and of course we know in our system out of pocket and healthc care just destroyed me. It was Murphy's law. Everything that could go wrong went wrong. And it [clears throat] this is a tough year. And of course, now I'm here. And of course, it's probably going to be the it's going to be the thinnest Christmas for the Connor family. And that's fine because uh the last thing I I talk about in this show is not to have a sense of entitlement about reality. happens. You pivot. You change your reality. You go inward and you do the gut check. And what I've always learned too is when you are down, some of the best things you'll ever do is help somebody. work to help somebody because that's how we get out of here with helping each other. And so that's what I've learned and um this is what's going to happen this year with or in 2026. But at the same time, I am full of gratitude. I'm glad for those of you support again. I'm glad for Jason being a friend and being here and the work, the tireless work he's done. and he's gone through so much and he's always uh I admire Jason because he's always standing up for his core values. He doesn't give up and at the end of the day Jason wants to be the guy going down to Plato's cave to keep waking up and it's always hard you know as Kabir said the hardest fight is that of the true seeker warrior. Same with Graham and the work he's does. So, uh, and anyway, please support Aon Bite because again, I am rebooting in 2026. Uh, help me out in any way you can. The David Bowie book is going to be a huge one because we're going to find out it's not about David Bowie, the big reveal. It's about Saturn and the Archon control system, which David Bowie knew about all the time. So, uh, appreciate you guys and I and I know these are hard times for anybody. I'm still trying to help people who might be suffering from addiction or other issues. I'm always here for you. If you need anything from me, reach out because that's how we get out of here. So, um yeah, that's my little uh my little speech and I appreciate it. Needed to get that off my chest. Oh, thank you. Uh anonymous, really appreciate your support and yes, that'll work out very well. So, well, we are at the end unless Jason you have anything else to say. again. I've got your your website and everything on the show notes. Check out his Substack. It's amazing. [laughter] >> It's always great being with you, Miguel. And uh I look forward to many more conversations in the coming year. And I think some interesting things are ahead of us. I I think 2026 is going to be a very interesting turning point of a year. >> I agree with you. It's going to be and it's going to be high weirdness and it's going to be fun. a gen it's gonna be a Gen X uh playground of insanity right [laughter] >> on that note take care my friend um and uh happy ule to you and your family >> likewise and for the Persians uh winter solstice what kind of celebrations do the Persian >> yeah and yala it's one of the most important mithraic uh and uh ancient Zorastrian holidays ever the winter solstice the birth of the light the birth of >> Mithra Great. Great. Well, happy uh Mithra. [laughter] >> Merry Mithra, my friend. Merry Mithra. Take care. >> And yeah, >> and Graham, thanks for keeping us company. >> Bye for now, guys. Take care. >> Always a pleasure. Bye bye. >> All right to everybody else, thank you and we will talk soon.