Judge Simpson Finds Out Defendant Made 38 Jail Calls... Instantly Locks Him Up

I already made the mistakes around. It was way before that. I thought I got put in there for 30 days. >> Here's the problem. You've interfered with the whole system. That's the problem. You should have never done any of this. Dad, don't do it. >> Call case people versus Cameron Larry. >> Good afternoon, your honor. Ran House is assisting attorney. >> Thank you, your honor. Alex Warren Green on behalf of Mr. Larry. Mr. Larry, could you please state your name for the court? Cameron Larry. What are we doing? >> As I explained at the bench, uh people are seeking an adjournment. Uh quite a few things have come up. Um the issue with the mention is that the author in charge of is that he's ill here to testify. Uh we would need his testimony here today. Uh your honor, there's also the issue of the jail calls that were made. this defendant while he in custody called the victim multiple times. Uh the content of those called are highly concerning to the people they suggest with tapering. Um the fact that she is not here today kind of completes the the concern we had that uh his calls and his communication with her have have had the effect that he have. uh specifically we have concerns because he gave her a story of what to come and tell the prosecutor's office. Uh she did did comply with that and uh in as council is aware in court where uh she has indicated u to us what I I would call a recantation but certainly different version of uh events matching what this defendant instructed her to do. Um there's a lot more to it including that he made uh tells people that that is not coming and so on. With all that we have concerns so we need to further look into that. Those calls were shared with the public defenders already. Uh I resent the very specific call to defense council this morning. I'm going to be listening to those a little more closely. I'm considering with the stamping charges moving forward. Uh and we do have concerns about this defendant being out of custody of the uh behavior he might have engaged in and may continue to engage in and making sure the victim does not appear to testify against >> with respect to the people's adjournment request at this time we have no objection to that. >> Okay. Um, and I had an opportunity to speak with my client, Mr. Larry, and Mr. Larry Senior, who is present in court today. Um, Miss Larry was here earlier, and both of his parents really have been calling off work, making every effort to be at all of their son's court dates. Um, I >> I recall that the last time he was here, they were here. I I recall that. Okay. >> And in addition to that, I know um back on April 27th, Miss Larry wrote a character letter to the court, which I know the court can't consider at this juncture. However, that was sent to council and I reviewed that and Miss Larry speaks highly of her son. And I think, you know, in so far as Mr. Larry's at a fork in the road. They are committed to making sure he takes the right path and comes out of this continuing the positive work he was doing before rest in this case. And I would note that this is Mr. Larry's first um interaction with the criminal justice system as far as I can see on his criminal history. um when he was released from custody after spending about 30 days in jail, he was placed on home confinement and lives at home with both of his parents. Uh during the time he was in custody, you know, he had to deal with the consequences of being in custody, which included losing his job. Uh his parents want him to get a new job. And I talked to Mr. Larry about essentially scheduling an interview, talking to his tether agent and seeing if there can be an accommodation made for him to go and do an interview, which I know, you know, if that needs to be done by stipulation of order. I know it's something that has been accommodated in the past. Um, Mr. Larry's enroll in school. He's Washington County Community College for uh either CDL HVAC lensure, but he's trying to get higher education. And I think since he's been out on home confinement, he's certainly not been violating the court's orders. >> Well, but the problem is I don't know that. That's that's my great difficulty. >> When I talked to Mr. Larry's parents, I was very specific about what the court's orders are, including no contact, and what no contact means. They ensured me that they're not going to let it happen under their roof. And as far as he's on home confinement, I mean, what they relayed to me is essentially the court's uh home confinement tether at this point is he'd be on home confinement anyway. They're making sure that he's staying on the right path. They don't want him to end up in jail or, you know, at the end of this case to be worse off than he was coming into it. So, I'm going to ask the court respectfully to consider continuing his bond at this time. Come back on the next date. I'm going to I've already talked to Miss Tana about resolving this case. I'm going to talk to my client at length about resolving this case, which you know what we pondered does entail further court supervision. Um, but as far as abiding by the court's orders, you know, Mr. Larry and his parents are going to make sure that continues on. >> I my difficulty is is that I believe that his parents have all the best intentions of the world and are probably the most disappointed by all of this. But I myself am very disappointed when I find I I told you counsel at the bench. I gave him a huge break the last time and letting him out knowing that there were phone calls. that's come back in certain respects to bite me because I I now know that these weren't just not to minimize them necessarily, but not just context to the alleged victim saying whatever. Um, he was manipulate the system. I don't I don't even know what's going through his head. >> Scared. >> Well, he should be cuz he's got me right now. He should be scared because the grand reality of it is is is that I can't trust you to be out. I don't know what you're doing. Understand what I have here. I let you out. I gave you the opportunity. You create some story that the vict No. >> No. Because you want to believe in him. That's fine. I want to believe in him, too. I gave him an opportunity and he has messed this up and is now facing potentially another felony. And I don't know that you even understand that, young man. No, you don't. Why would you? Why would you put yourself in a position to pick up another felon? You weren't even supposed to be communicating with this person at all. But then you communicate and you go even further to concoct some story. And now pick. And here's what you have to understand from that. From that you concoct that story and then I have no victim here today. She not only takes the story that you give her, communicates it to authorities, then doesn't show. >> Go ahead if you think it's advisable to say something to me because I am livid right now. on the phone. >> Your honor, I would ask the court to consider the fact since Mr. Larry's been released on home confinement, um I think almost right away he got into some level of domestic violence programming. I spoke with Miss Tana. There's a program that we are both familiar with that I want to refer him to immediately and to addressing you know um the underlying allegations here. It addresses those of issues uh in terms of you know was a bond violation trying to impact the outcome of proceedings those kinds of things. And I want to make sure that you know Mr. Larry's getting to the resources he needs. I think if he's at home on home confinement with his parents, I think he's in a better >> How do I know he's not contacting the victim? >> Well, when I spoke to his parents, your honor, they advised >> I don't doubt that they're going to do the best they can. I don't tr I trust them. I don't trust him. >> Mr. Green account choices is available in jail. If he wants to start that advising, >> your honor, my client would just assure the court he's not going to violate any court orders, including the no contact order. >> You assured the magistrate of that after his arraignment. Understood. >> I was nervous and she was pregnant. So, I was This is my first time, your honor. >> What? Your honor, um I think my client's expressing that he was it is his first interaction with the justice system. He was nervous about the ultimate outcome of this case. It's a big >> What confusion do you have of do not contact this person? >> I don't I don't think it's confusion, your honor. I he admits to violating the court's orders with respect to the no contact order. I think it's naivity and I think it's him trying to change the outcome of this case. I I understand that as far as it's a bond violation. I'm not sure if it rises to a matter where we're dealing with forfeite by wrongdoing at this point. So, I don't want to go too far down that road in terms of what I address, but you know, I I he knows that's a possibility at this point. And at this point, we're kind of shifting gears and talking to the people about a resolution that involves significant domestic violence programming. >> And you know, for the for the record, if I may, at least 38 calls were were made to the using other inmates pins. So being naive, that to me doesn't indicate a naive person. That is deliberately working to to kind of fight the system trying to get out of it. and and I I agree trying to affect the outcome of this case and that's exactly what we're trying to prevent >> and see if that behavior why I can't trust you >> because I don't have a doubt your parents are going to put every thing they can possibly put in place to try to make sure you don't mess this whole thing But we do the same thing in the jail by giving you a pin number and what do you do? You try to circumvent and go around that whole thing. Then you try to concoct some story and that comes back and now you're going to face another potentially face another felony as well as proceed without the victim on this case. You don't even begin to understand what the heck you've done. And if you had just stuck by the rules, we wouldn't even be in this boat. I don't need to have this conversation with you. I don't need to try to make sure that the victim in this case can proceed with this case if that's what she ch so chooses to do. Okay. 30 days already mistakes are already made. Your honor, I'd ask the court to consider that the time Mr. Larry spent in custody did have an impact on him. And moving forward, if the court is gracious enough to consider continuing his bond at this point, if he's going to comply with any of the court's orders, but you know, that's going to be a constant reminder as to what happens when he does not. And you know, I referenced naivity earlier. He didn't think he was going to get caught and he did. And I think he knows at this point and his parents well know at this point if he's caught in violation of his bond conditions whatsoever he's on thin ice and it's going to land him back in jail. Um if it >> I don't know if he cares, Mr. Warren Grant. I really don't know if he cares because if he had cared he would not have done what he did. Your honor, I is he's been working on himself a lot. This arrest hopefully in the long run going to be the biggest turning point in his life. And that's his sentiment. He's expressed to me this whole time. He's got two people that really care about him that are really going to make sure that he stays on the right track if the court's gracious enough to continue his bond at this point. The bond that was posted for you was not your money, was it? >> No, sir. >> It was your parents. >> My brother and my sister. >> Then you got your family here. They're trying to Everybody's trying to do everything for you except you. Here's what the problem is, council. I've got to figure out and I've got to give the people time to figure out whether why this victim isn't here. But until such time, I mean, do you know how long it may take people to figure out if they're going to bring additional charges against him? your honor. Um I have no problem reviewing it today. Um I do need the OIC to do some um so I would ask for it week. >> I'll adjourn this the preliminary to May 26, 2026 9:00 a.m. before me. That's in person at this point in time. Um, man, understand me. Make your bed. You got a lion. I'm going to I'm not going to re Don't look at me like this is you. >> Your family put up their money. They did that. Your parents are down here with all their time and everything trying to stand up for you. And you did this. I >> already made the mistakes. Your honor, it was way before that. I thought I got put in there for 30. >> Here's the problem. You've interfered with the whole system. That's the problem. You should have never done any of this ever. So if the people would do that, review it, get in touch with council, but this time I'm going to revoke his bond. Defendants remanded. I will consider his release if the people can figure out exactly where they're going to go with this and have the OIC. I'd ask them to hurry up and do it. I don't want to leave him in jail, but he's just he's made his bed and that's where he is now. But I got to figure out that everybody else in this whole system is safe, not just you. You can take it. >> Dad, don't do it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Court case people versus Patrick