3 Christian Students Encounter A Muslim! Muhammed Ali

I'm Christian I interesting Rel yeah that's fine when you say you're Christian what do you mean by that I follow God who's God in Christianity chrisan you can't can't describe okay he's given the answer now the God God is the Trinity what is the Trinity um the Jesus Jesus okay so which one is God the father son or the so three Gods it's all the same person but it's metaphor you know what I mean he the same person but but it's three three forms it's say three different of like so he heod Father Son and Holy Spirit so you believe there are three the Trinity is three different forms yes yes three persons one being okay he now he is the educated one he seems like it because this what he said is correct forms is incorrect actually forms is very incorrect belief to say the correct belief according to the naan Creed and then Constantinople Creed is what he said they are three persons in one B but the question is this yeah when Jesus is praying who is he praying to the father why isn't he one with the father he's the son so he's like there's three different persons so aren't they one they're one being but three different persons so isn't the Father and Son also one but they're separate person so is he praying to the Trinity or just the father just the father so he's just praying to the father so how can they be equal when the father doesn't pray to anyone the father is a main guy how can he how can be I think he's praying so the father to Earth knows to like he was begging for help actually what like for in the garden of Geth yeah but but the thing is but the thing is I have AE yeah yeah if you come this side yeah of course if you come this side they'll give you on no problem soor so uh in the Garden of Gethsemane he was saying father father I have you forsaken me right yeah and he was seeking help he's asking for help asking for help because he about to get does that seem like God to you yes do Jesus God beging for for help no no Jesus is the embodiment of the of the son Jesus is the Jesus is the S is sacrifice that the father is the sacrifice that the father made to get rid the of the world no I just want to be simple I'm a very simple guy was he God when he was on Earth he wasn't God now you're MREs chrisan look a minute ago you good you know Christians believe in something called the hypothetic union the hypothetic union says that he's 100% man 100% God when he was on Earth he was God according to Christianity what you said is not correct no no it's okay it's okay I'm not it's okay I'm just I'm just trying to conversate with you right I'm not trying to hold you into something so according to Christians he was 100% God so when I say say to you does that seem like God I'm asking that question because the the Christians do believe he was God you get the point and the thing is if I ask you this does God know everything is he all knowing yeah is he all knowing all the time or just sometimes he knows sometimes he forgets of course all the time or he isn't God isn't it if he don't know something you're not God did Jesus know everything all the time I think so yes yes yes yes list he's the educated one so I'll get his answer think I come back to you I mean I think say fair was 100% human due to the original sin I think he still sins but it was 100 no not about Sin I'm talking about knowledge when he was if you say he 100% God he has to have all the attributes of God was he all knowing they say yes was he all knowing when he was on Earth I think he was okay the three of you are wrong according to the Bible open Mark 13:32 do you know what it says Mark's gospel Mark's gospel yeah chapter 13:32 Jesus says no one knows the day and the hour not the angels in heaven not the son only the father so not even the holy spirit so how can they be equal when one knows something and the other doesn't know they not me be equal they are they are they are according to the trinity are if you don't believe equally you don't believe in Trinity surely some people can you have to pick one people can interpret the Bible and like Christianity in their own way like some people pray like privately some pray in like church lurgical the Bible says certain things it's objective fact the Bible is written in language and language conveys meaning you get what I'm trying to say so so people can twist what it says but there are explicit statements there I'll give you an example does God have a God that he worships God is the god of everyone but Jesus said he has a God he said in John you open if you read John sorry Father father no but but that's you're supposed to be equal it's not it's not supposed to be another God supposed to be another person in the same God but he said to Mary Magdalene I'm going back to my God and your God my father and your father my God and your God he actually said let me tell you this he said the only true God is the father how can he be got there in in John 17:3 he said the only true God is the father not the holy Spirit not the son he said he said the Father which is one person which is not the son and not the holy spirit so if he literally explicitly says to you the only true God is the father how can you claim he's God because he took away the sins of the world but that doesn't mean you're God even if I accept that TR to be true he doesn't doesn't mean you can take away God can use someone to take away the sins of the world doesn't mean he's God did Jesus ever say I am God EXC he did it yeah okay the Son of God Adam is called the Son of God ephra is called the son of God son David is called the Son of God the Bible says blessed be the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God any Peacemaker is a Son of God literally right Son of God means nothing in the Bible L everyone can be the Son of God but the point is is he ever claiming to be God did he ever say worship me he he did not say worship me he was there to like he worshiped God he he wor himself like in the gard and he taught you to pray to the father alone he he he said our father in Heaven H be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done only the father so he's only to the father yeah so if he's only worshiping the father and teaching you to only worship the father and never mention the trinity in his life to you nor did Abraham nor did any of the other prophets mention the Trinity where did this Trinity come from what is it in the Bible I don't know yeah I'll tell you it's not there and you can Google it you're not going to you're not going to get a single verse that not the word Trinity but the concept you're not going to get a single verse that says I was just telling you now the church history when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity costantine he became the Roman Emperor he became Christian and then he they changed the beliefs of Christianity they made Jesus equal to God in the Council of NAIA 325 you can read it there was Aras who arguing that Jesus is subordinate to God is not equal with God then you had aesus argu no he was equal and the end of the council they said no he's equal and then anyone who believes anything else is blaspheming then 381 they brought they introduced the idea of the Trinity the Holy Spirit into the mix and now they brought this belief uh that you got like uh uh three persons in one being this crazy belief which doesn't make any rational sense by the way right and then later on they introduced the hypothetic Union in the unds right councils that happen later on right so you've got all of these belief developed historically and these are things that even Christian Scholars say it's not my my it's not my view that this is what happened this is literally history I'm Christian but like that's what I believe but you believe because the church told you to believe that but the Bible doesn't teach that and Jesus didn't teach that so if it's in the Bible why do people watch if it's not in the Bible why do people believe that because most people don't read the Bible like I I personally the whole Bible did you read the whole this is my look most Christians not only not only they don't only read the the whole Bible they don't know the the the question is which Bible do you read the NIV why do you read the NIV why why should we accept the Bible of the Protestant that have 66 books over the one of the Catholic that has 73 over the one of the Orthodox that has 82 or the one of the Ethiopian that has 88 which one is the true Bible me I'm I'm Italian so I'm Roman Catholic exactly that's why you read what you read yeah but the question is are aren't Christians supposed to have one scripture like Muslims all have one scriptures even if you are a different sect you have the same scripture they not different um I don't want use incorrect ter SE se you can use the term sex but all Muslims believe in same Quran what like there's 114 chapters in the Quran is the same Quran for all Muslims but they are they all abrahamic religions huh they all no no you can ask don't worry abrahamic religion is J yeah we don't we don't use that term we say Abraham was a Muslim and now that might surprise you now because a lot of people think that Islam started with prophet Muhammed we don't believe that I'll tell you why do you know what the word Muslim means Muslim means the person who submits his will to God did Jesus submit his will to God submitting your will to the Jesus said let it not be my will by your will literally no no he literally said Let It Be Your Will over my will not my will by your will right so he literally submitted his will to God right did Abraham submit his will to God when he told him to do what to do with his son yes to soter his son he submitted his will to God your own son God is telling you yeah he didn't kill him he was going to do what God told him to do to the true God without being still be no no but this is the thing I'm saying submitting your will to the true God in this case is Allah this is what it means to be a Muslim so let me ask you this Abraham was before Jesus and was before Moses they were not even yet born what religion was he is just like a branch of Judaism no Judaism came later on look Abraham had two sons you I'll tell you the History Abraham had two sons ishma and Isaac Isaac had children right from them was Jacob who was named Israel and from his sons is Judah where you have Judaism Judea and all of that that's way later on so how what what religion was Abraham who was before all of that I'm sure yeah so if you want to say abrahamic religion you need to know the religion of Abraham first isn't it we claim cannot make ital sense to claim he was he was Christian because there was no Jesus and he canot be Jewish because there was no Moses or tah he had to be something else right and did he submit his will to the one true God yes so his by definition a Muslim and do you know the traditions of praying how how Abraham prayed he he fall he F he fell on his face and he prayed it's how Muslims prayed you know how Jesus prayed on his knees no he fell on this is how the Catholics pray but Jesus didn't pray like this he fell on his face if you open ma Matthew 26:39 says that Jesus fill in his facei and he prayed this is how Muslims pray this is how Abraham prayed what musl prayers like whenever they pray they touch their head and like they like on the floor right you go on the floor they they prostrate and their head is on the floor yes so we say this is how all the prophets of God prayed this actually how Moses prayed too I just told you the reference right and how Abraham prayed so when we look at Abraham where he brought circumcision on all of these tradition Traditions he was initially a Muslim and Prophet Muhammad is just a final messenger and a a long list of different messenger so just like we believe Jesus was a messenger We Believe Abraham was a messenger believe Prophet Muhammad was a messenger we don't believe he was God and we don't believe he came to die for anyone because you're responsible for what you do and I'm responsible for what I do do you believe in like the Trinity of Jesus no no that we refuse look the Bible says there's only one God in Deuteronomy 6:4 here Israel our Lord God is one God one God not three in one not four in one Abraham didn't teach Trinity no other no prophet in the Bible including Jesus worshiped or taught Trinity why would we believe it as Muslims we don't believe in it believe in one God Alone worthy of worship who's not a man or a woman does die and we say we say that God can never be a man in fact the Bible explicitly says that God is not a man so I don't know how some Christians claim that Jesus is God if you read hoseah 11:9 it says God is not a man literally word for word that's what the Bible says God is not a man yes but Jesus was a man brought him is him no no but Jesus was a man according to the Bible but he was 100% man 100% again contradiction contradiction it's you're just saying contradiction but the question is why do you believe that it's not in the Bible why why 100% 100% where is that in the Bible as person read the full Bible okay been taught from like the church the church but you're just saying what I'm saying it I'm saying the the church is teaching you things which are not in the Bible they invented the belief which is not in line with the teachings of the scripture and the Christians of today most of them follow the church not the Bible so you saying I should just stop church and follow the Bible if church is a House of God where you go to worship God then why would I stop going to church just to read the Bible no no but but this is the the thing anyways like we don't believe church is the house of God you Islam we believe in a mosque is the house of God yeah we believe the church is where people worship a trinity the church is where people worship a trinity God is not a trinity so how can it be House of God when they're worshiping other than God is a again where is that in the Bible where did God say to you on my Trinity look I'm going to accept it if you show me in the scripture where dides God say I'm a trinity and he GES us the scripture go ahead you can Google it if you like Google it Google so you can know that I'm just not making this up you know Google it and you'll see what I said to you you know the Trinity what is what you said three persons in one being so you need a verse that says God the Father God the son God the Holy Spirit there are three persons in one be that's what you need to find you got no internet I got I got can you not worship all three there you go search what you want yeah so um did he tell you there's not in the Bible it says ha on Wikipedia but that's true it says what it like it just G me like it gives random verses go to them you'll see none of them talk about the Trinity it doesn't say there a trinity though he's not going to say trinity the they just lie to convince other Christians that there's something there and you can do your own research when you go home look I'm telling you you can Google it because I'm conf look I've been doing this for a while you know this is not the first time I talk about Christianity look there is no such thing as the trinity in the Bible there's no explicit statements of Jesus saying anyone should worship him there explicit statement that he isn't God like the ones I gave you that the only true God is the father pray to yeah yeah he prayed to him and he said he's the only true God literally word for word in that in in John 17:3 and he says he has a God can I not contradict no contradict can I not just believe like something can I can I just believe the father is the only true God and like not kind of like made my own religion but have my own interpretations of there's something called unarian Christians who believe that the father is the only true God so the unarian Christians believe the father is the only true God and they believe in the Bible they follow the Bible they believe the father is the only true God and they believe Jesus is the son of God according to the Bible which is the teaching that the Bible teaches and that he died for Humanity and all every other belief but they don't believe in the Trinity so who is Allah We Believe Allah it's excellent question Allah describes himself in the Quran Allah is one independent self-sufficient Allah does not give birth nor is he begotten and there is nothing like onto him this is what Allah is so when it comes to your conception now your mind cannot visualize what God is he's be beyond your conception but you know he's all farful all knowing he's independent self-sufficient everything depends on him he doesn't depend on any right difference between Al and the this is this is the thing we say essentially there's no difference the only difference is this name the father and to say there God has a son we reject this terminology other than that the father is the only true God it will be in the Christian tradition Allah will be the father in the Christian tradition but without that name and terminology you understand so we believe Jesus was worshiping Allah he was worshiping what you call the father we believe he was worshiping Allah right it's just a different name what's the difference between Christianity and is the difference is the Trinity and the fact that Christians believe that Jesus died for for mankind we don't believe that we believe you're responsible for what you do but like I don't but like as a white like man is isn't is it not difficult to be like Jesus was not a white man this is another lie he told you did he look like me not you by the way he I'm a North African Arab he looked more like me that he would like you so the fact is these people it's a funny thing but it's good you mention it because a lot of people in the west Unfortunately they think the Christianity is a white man religion Jesus was from Palestine he was from Bethleham he had like probably a beard right and you know how he prayed he fell on his face his mother was covered that's why every church is she's covering her head he didn't eat pork he fasted he was more a Muslim than any Christian out there so how is it a white religion when he I don't think it's why religion because it was like not like the Bible not set but like Bible the only reason you're Christian today is what I told you the Roman Empire adopted Christianity that's the only reason that the Europe is Christian I'm Italian so the I'm telling you I'm telling you the only reason that people they accepted the message of Jesus who's from in the Middle East right and and then when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity you have the becoming Christian right that is the end result but the fact is none of it is a white religion if you want to say white religion we we don't talk about race anyways we the prophet before he died you know what he said he said we're all from Adam and Adam is from dust he's created from dust right we're all from Adam Adam is from dust there's no superiority of a black person over a white person or a white person over or a black person or an Arab over a non-arab or a non-arab over an Arab he said the only difference is piety the more good you are righteous the more you're elevated in status in the eyes of God that's why you've got Muslims everywhere in every different color in every different eth as a white man is it no way if I just walk into a m like I'll be like no no it's not this is the thing nothing is weird we actually do open days in many multiple of the MOs here in the UK like East L and this they do an open day where people enter and they look at the m and how Muslims pray and everything like that the thing is only 20% of Muslims are Arabs 80% of Muslims are non Arabs many of them are white many of them are Chinese Japanese every every kind of culture you can imagine but if you're talking about entering the MOs this is we take we can take you there no problem we can connect you with people if someone wants to become Muslim that's what we do like first they learn about Islam they they're sure that they want to take that step and become Muslims and then what we do is we connect them with people we take you to the m ourselves you we introduce you the first time and then you get used to it it's just like enter I've been to a church you know I'm not scared to go anywhere right but some people yes there is this fear in the beginning you know to okay to go to these people look at me differently No in fact they would welcome you in any M you you choose to to go through what is it between the Quran and the and the Bible what the difference that the Bible is written by different people and those different people are just writing history many of them did not claim that they're writing the word of God it has contradictions because you're just writing history the Quran is verb in the words of God preserved from the time of prophet Muhammad until today it's the teachings of God not a history or biography of a man like Jesus the biography of Jesus which is the New Testament right the Quran is about God it's about guidance for you and about the Creator and about what what will happen in the afterlife and it's Preserve completely no changes unlike the Bible there's not many bibles Corruptions and changes it is completely preserved there a difference between the two do you want the Quran you uh can you give me one more copy Quran I have a lot of like we don't have more or we have yeah yes I have lot of like um Muslim friends that like tell me about I did a bit of fasting over Ramadan I did like most not most but like I have like six to seven friends I just like learn like what they believe uhuh um and I I I don't like think of it like you know what that's like that should be me but I think of it more like just to understand like like their point of view like why they H from yeah but Jesus fasted fasted for 40 days fasting for the whole of men and also Christian then tempations also Fridays you're not like and also I'm but the thing is my question to you is what does it mean to be a Christian if it means to follow Jesus to to imitate Jesus and follow his life if Christian means to follow Jesus then you are closer following Jesus as a Muslim than you are in any other religion then don't you think that maybe Jesus was just on Earth I mean I'm not saying it's fake like Jesus is fake but like think Christian can just be something to like we believe in Jesus he's not he's not fa to like to promote like people being good people it says like if you're a rich man give all your Poss there there is I got what you're saying no no the reason why is because these books or these prophets perform miracles to demonstrate their from God if you just their claim what you saying can be true if just they claiming just for reforming Society is what you're trying to say no those people who perform Miracles the people who saw Jesus healing second of BL Moses SPL he Prophet Muhammad splitting with the Moon and what happened with him people who witness these things right also the Quran itself is a miracle living miracle today that you can use to be sure that this is the Revelation from God the information it has within it the Miracles of the Quran puts forward right this is the evidence that this has to be from God I will read it yeah read it and if you got questions look you're welcome to come back all of you obviously you're welcome to come back anytime you got any questions you're welcome to come back you know it's nice talking to you guys yeah see you guys