Three Confident Christians Attempt To Take On A Muslim! Mohammed Ali

point is that if I like for example I'm not going to obviously it's context if I was to kill you right now you dead you're not going to come back yeah yes yeah so his point is saying if you don't come back you're dead yeah yes if god like you so you so say died but then rose again he's not dead he's not dead no no but I'll tell you the problem you're missing if you if you die if you're God and you die then nothing can bring you back because everything will disappear controls everything we're saying when Jesus died what you're missing is What? Who brought Jesus? Was not Jesus. The Bible says the father brought Jesus back. So Jesus died. So it's not God died and and brought himself because with the minute you die, you don't bring yourself. You disappear. So God doesn't die. Jesus was not God. That's the point I'm making. So someone else brought him back. Sorry. God of God. No. No. When you Okay. So you're saying a part of God died. It's the same problem. By the way, that's a heresy. No. No. That's a heresy by the way in Christianity. It's called partialism. You can Google it if you like. You cannot say God is divided into parts. That's a heresy. If you were back then, they will they will crucify you for this heresy. Trinity is a heresy though. No, that's incorrect. The trinity is been established in the councils. So the Christians today believe it based on the councils 325 the council of Nia 381 council of consult. So it's not a heresy because the councils have have accepted it. Now they establish after they put this what he say is heresy partialism. So that the trinity says they're persons in beings. They're not parts. Parts and persons are not the same thing. So I'm just telling you, but right now I'm telling you Christians what the trinity is. You're supposed to tell me, right? Wait, I'll tell you. According to the creed, not my belief, according to your belief. I'm not the Christian here. You are. You're supposed to tell me what the trinity is. According to your creeds, the trinity is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The God the Father is not the Son. The son is not the holy spirit. They're co-equal, co-eternal, three persons in one being, one essence. So they say the person is not the being. He's in one. Sorry. He doesn't ever say that he's I completely agree with you. This is a Christian creed. It's not mine. Like I don't know what you're asking me that. That's what the Christians say. Say that he's in one being. Okay, I agree with you. Where does he say his part? That's your belief now. So tell me where where does he say? You said Jesus is a part of God. No, you said Jesus was a part of God. Yeah, we're I'm rejecting the trinity now. Trinity. I'm rejecting the trinity. But then that's the only thing we have to stand on it. So So you're saying the trinity means that God has three parts. That's you what you're saying. Who said that? Which which church father said that? No. I give you now the councils and I can give you church fathers. Which church father said that? Jesus himself spoke about the Okay. Tell me what Jesus said. Himself. Who said that? Baptize those in the father in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. Okay. Where where does that say parts? If I say baptize in the name of Luke, Matthew, and John, doesn't mean that three are one. You're missing the point. I can say baptize in the name of three individual people. That that's fine. This doesn't prove anything. It's called the great commission. And by the way, this is this is a fabrication according to Christian scholars. Do you know why? Because not a single disciple, he was speaking to the disciples there in Matthew. Not a single disciple baptized in the name of the father, son, and the holy spirit. We have them in Acts. Peter baptizing all of them baptizing in the name of Jesus. Not a single person after this have baptized in the name of the father, son, and the holy spirit. That's why the scholars said this verse is actually a fabrication because the disciples will follow Jesus if he commanded them to do that. So this verse doesn't help you either way because it doesn't say they are parts. His claim and your claim is that Jesus is a part of God. Now my question is very simple. Where did Jesus ever say that he was a part of God? Huh? He never. So why did you claim about Jesus? Why he didn't say about himself? interpretation of it. Jesus spoke in parables, didn't he not? Okay, no problem. So, you agree? So, what does what does that mean? He did speak in parables. No problem. We agree he did speak in parables, but none of the parables talk about him being a part of God. Parables are interpreted in individual interpretations. Sure. To all different people, different But but parables have information to convey. Right now, you don't have a parable that says he's a part of God. All you're doing is you're bringing your own understanding that is not supported by the scripture. So, if I ask you this question, you believe God. Everyone believes God. I don't know if you spoke to my friend about this or not, but we believe God is all knowing all the time. Do you agree with that? So, if Jesus is a part of God, then he's a part of of being all knowing all the time. He's all knowing all the time. Do you agree with that? Who is Jesus all knowing all the time? You believe that? But the Bible contradicts you. Jesus says he doesn't know in Mark 13:32. There's many contradictions that if you lean back into other scriptures, which I don't have the knowledge on, which is why I can't 100% even have a Have you read the Bible? Of course I the full full wife from start to finish. That's what I'm saying. It's not possible for us to have a 100% knowledgeable knowledgeable conversation. I don't know. No, that's fine. We're not saying let's have 100% knowledgeable conversation. We're saying let's be sincere and use our reasoning. God says in the Bible, come let us reason together. It says seek the truth and the truth should set you free. So what that's what we're trying to do here. We're trying to have a discussion. Muslims believe in Jesus. We believe in his second coming. We believe in his virgin birth. We believe he was the Messiah. We believe his mother was a righteous woman. We believe in all of that. What we disagree on is when you go on and try to say these things. Jesus is a part of God. There's a trinity. All of these things. So we say to Christians, "Okay, you guys want to believe these things? We don't believe in them. We're trying to call you to the truth. You believe Jesus rose from the dead. We don't believe Jesus died to so he can raise from the dead." This to begin with, we don't believe he died. But that's the point I'm trying to make is separate. The point I'm trying to make our core belief on his identity the difference that we have eyewitnesses are all fake in your but you don't you don't have eyewitnesses but by the you're missing a point there I know you're I'll tell you I'll tell you what you're missing there the Bible someone writing one gospel in that gospel he says 5 500 people sold something that is not a testimony of 500 people why because we don't have the 500 names from independent sources testifying to that so for example if I wrote I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. If I wrote right now, 500 people witnessed my conversation with you. That is not a testimony of 500 people. It's still one person making a claim that there was 500 people. The Bible doesn't record the name of these people. We don't know who these people were and we don't know who is reporting that there was 500 people. Mary, I don't know her second name, not Mary the mother, but yeah, the first woman to see Jesus after he resurrected. That's But again, yeah, we agree she saw him after but she didn't Nobody saw the crucifixion. So you cannot claim that that was after resurrection. You can say that he she saw him after the alleged crucifixion. Nobody saw his crucifixion. But within history also there is I'm making a claim. I'm making a claim not only that there isn't a single eyewitness account, not one in historical being crucified. Yeah. I witness which one? Both. I'm saying there isn't a single Wait, just quickly to sorry to interrupt. So, what about the two thieves that was that was crucified beside him, they didn't see him get You're missing the point. You're missing the point that whoever is writing for you the story about Jesus being on the cross and two people saying something, that author is not an eyewitness. He's just reporting stories. So, that is not an eyewitness account. An eyewitness account is a person who is there watching and seeing. You're missing the point. You're believing the Bible. Any eyewitness at home? Who who was there that time that you have information from him directly from from him rising from the sin? You're missing the point. If if I say again it's fabricated. I'm saying the Bible that made the the eyewitness wasn't it wasn't No, I'm saying the Bible you're using the Bible as as the evidence. You're saying the Bible records Mary. The Bible records this guy. I'm saying the writers of the Gospels, the earliest manuscript you have is 400 years later. You don't know who wrote the Gospels. If I don't know who wrote this and they came 500 years later telling me 500 years before me Jesus did this and this guy did that that's not does that not contradict would that not slightly contradict the Quran then because the Quran is wrong because because the Quran came 600 years after the Bible sure if I'm not wrong I spoke about Jesus would that not like contradict the Quran as well. No, because I'll tell you no that that's not what I'm going to say. I'm going to say that the Quran is not a story of Jesus. The problem the Quran source is Prophet Muhammad. So it should be from his time. That's what you your argument should be. Jesus uh the Bible is a story of Jesus. So it should be from his time. You cannot say the Quran comes after because it's not about Jesus. It's not a story of Jesus anyway. So it doesn't matter how long later on comes. It's a biography of Jesus. What are you talking about? The gospels are the biography of Jesus. That's the gospel. Yes. Which is which is about the whole Old Testament. What are we arguing about? We're arguing about Jesus. Who cares about the rest of the Bible? We're argue. Yeah. Argue means having a discussion. We're talking about Jesus, right? Sure. No, we'll talk you. No problem. I I agree with you. We should use We should use the term discussing. Oh, we're not even debating. I'm saying we're having a discussion. No problem. Friendly discussion. Either way, my point is we're contention. Our contention is Jesus. Who he was, what he did. This is what we've been talking about from the beginning. That's what we care about. So the gospels or whatever information that is recorded about Jesus is what I care about. If you bring me a random information, for example, the Bible talks about Israelites traveling from this village that I don't care. Nobody cares about that. We're talking about Jesus now. Who who his identity are. So if we don't have anyone writing from his time, we have nothing from the first century. By the way, Christians, I'm talking about Christians have zero manuscript from first century. Second century, you have a small card called P-52, seven lines this big from the Gospel of John. Have no no important information. Then you have third century. 4th century you have the biggest full manuscript which is called scaticus who wrote it we do not know it's written in Greek you know what Jesus uh what language Jesus Arabic Aramaic you have nothing in Arabic not a single gospel in Aramaic so what Jesus was truly teaching his people we're talking about eyewitness now the people who wrote the words of Jesus they have none of it now that's why textual criticism scholars they say there's a a source called Q source there's a source called M source there's a source called whatever source they say these sources are missing today we don't have them the people copied from Who copied? We don't know. Random authors copied from this guy, from this guy, from that guy. So we you cannot transmit this information. This is not eyewitness accounts. Eyewitness is people who were there and that time they wrote down we witnessed this happening. That's why I'm saying there isn't a single eyewitness account that you have from the time that witnessed the crucifixion. The disciples, that's why I'm telling you, all the information you have of the disciples are in the Bible that comes 400 years later written by unknown people. Problem is, you're just believing what you're told without looking where it's from. Now, the Quran for example, I'm going to respond to you now. By the way, that's a fallacy. It's called what? What about you? What about right? Whenever I tell you something. Wait, wait. I'm replying to you what you said to me exactly back to you. It's a mirror. But that that's why I'm telling you it's a fallacy. Why? Because even if if you're right, even if I have nothing, that doesn't mean that now you have something. You got my point? I'm not obeying the fact that I have something because you have nothing. So, you agree you don't have anything? No point. Sure. So, so that you're admitting We have to both agree that we don't have anything. No, no. So first let's agree what you're saying then I'll respond to your point. First we agree there isn't anything you have from the first century. There's no reliable information. There's no eyewitness account. Then we come to the Quran. You ask me the question cuz you're not aware. You ask me the question. Okay. What about you as a Muslim? Okay. I'll respond to you very easily. We have manuscripts of the Quran from the first century. Full manuscripts. You have the manuscript. It's 15,000 parameters that date back to 950 Qurans from the first century onwards. Top copy manuscript. You can go right now to Turkey and see it. full Quran from the first late late uh uh late 1st century and the early second century. We have the Birmingham portion here in Birmingham in the UK. You can go to it. It's from the life of the prophet and it records parts of the Quran. But we don't rely on that anyways. We have all of that. But we rely on the memorization of the Quran. We memorize the Quran from beginning to end. Word for word. We recite it. You know Ramadan, you go to any mosque, you see the imam reciting the Quran three parts from memory. If he makes any mistake person will correct him because we memorize not only the no not the words but the vows. How does it make it that inside the Quran is true because memorized? No I already told you about the manuscripts. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say most of the manuscripts there's something they call carbonation. Do you know what carbonation is? Who gave these manuscripts? You wrote it. Do you know what carbonation is? No. You don't know what carbonation is? Radiocarbonation is where you look at a parcel and you see how far back it dates in history. So when this par comes from so the parame itself is written from the life of the prophet we compare it to what we have today is the same exact thing now you see 15,000 parments in all over the world all of these parliaments they no Christianity is not the same that's the argument I'm making the river where there was what's the word called parliaments yeah yeah where they were found that related exactly to stories that are in the Bible I couldn't give you the exact No probably talking about the DC scrolls or something like that. Dead Sea Scrolls, not a river. You're probably talking about Yeah, but the sea scrolls are not about the New Testament. It's about only Isaiah, majority Isaiah and few parts of the Old Testament. That's it. Connected. No, no. I The Dead Sea Scrolls is talking about Isaiah only in the Old Testament and a few parts of the Old Testament. And it's rejected by Jewish people. So, this about the Old Testament. We're talking about the New Testament now. New Testament, you have nothing. That's the point I'm making. In first century, nothing. Second, by the way, you don't need to take my word for it right now. You can open your phone, Google what I'm telling you. What is the earliest full extend manuscript of the New Testament? It will tell you the code is saticus. Then the code is vatic. I'll tell you the names of the manuscript. I've researched these things. I'm not telling you what I think. Right? You can go to the criticism scholars, Bruce Mer. See what he's going to tell you. Bartman, these are Christians. Bartman left Christianity. Bruce Musker is a Christian. Now done what? No, no. The point I'm making No, no. He's a textual criticism scholar. Yeah. So he studied the manuscript and then he tells you it's in the manuscript. I only told you he left. Scholars that have proved the crucifixion of Jesus. No, no, no. I only told you he left. So I can be honest with you that he's not Christian anymore. But still he talks about the textual criticism. I'm not making that as a point. Therefore, Islam is true or something. I'm making a point that your own scholars in your own tradition admit that you don't have the original sources is written by anonymous people. The gospels that you have, you have nothing from the first century. So that's the point I'm making. But again that is a separate point. Even though this is the case for you, I'm saying okay let's look at what you have. Even though it's not reliable historically, we're still looking at it. You cannot justify your belief from it. I told you about Jesus not knowing not knowing the Mark 13:32. Do you know what it says? It says about that day and hour. Nobody knows. Not the angels in heaven. Yeah. Yeah. Then he says, "Not the son, only the father." If he says only the father knows something, Jesus doesn't know it. The Holy Spirit doesn't know it. How can they all be God? God knows everything all the time. Jesus fell on his face and he prayed to God. The garden of Gethsemane. Why have you forsaken me? What God says, "If you forsaken me, what God asks for help?" What God falls on his face and prays. What God says, "I by myself can do nothing." In John 5:30, Jesus says, "I by myself can do nothing." What God says he has a God. Jesus says in John 20:17, I'm going back to my God and your God, my father and your father. Yeah. So if he goes to his God, how can he be God? What God has a God? So the you have to understand the ideology of how he was conceived. Mary, if he was conceived without sex, so Mary didn't get pregnant and the baby was conceived. How is that possible without birth? No. Excellent. I'll respond to you. Would you like an answer? Very easy. How can Adam come into existence without a father or a mother? Do you know how God created him directly? How did Eve come into existence? She was created from a ribb of Adam. Not having a father, but that's the point I'm making. Adam had no father or mother. If you're saying Jesus is divine or or unique because he had no father, Adam had no father or mother. So, he's even higher in status. That's why he called Jesus the second Adam or whatever because Adam had no father or mother. Who split the seed? Any other prophet? Any other prophet did that? No. Okay. So, each prophet had their own Noah had an arc. Did any other prophet have an arc? Each prophet had a unique miracle to him that he's done that other prophets have not done. That doesn't mean multiple. Sorry. Jesus had multiple miracles. Moses had multiple miracles. The stick, the light. It's not it's not about the number of miracles. My point is they all had unique miracles that other prophets did not also do. So to say that okay there was a miracle that happened there that God sent an angel and then he miraculously made Mary conceive which what we believe. We believe the same thing chapter 19 of the Quran is called Mary the Mariam and it mentions the story of Jesus and it mentioned how angel Gabriel came to her and how then Allah h created in her womb Jesus we don't have a problem with that God can create miraculously like he created me and you from nothing. If you wanted to create us from nothing he created us from nothing. Adam came from nothing. God created him from nothing. So we are saying and Allah says in the Quran the example of Jesus unto Allah is like Adam. He created him he he said be and it is. He created him from dust. He said be and it is. God can say be and it is to anything he wants. Right? So Allah is telling us in the Quran why don't you cannot exaggerate in Jesus because he has no father uh no father while Adam is like him. He has no father or mother. Have you heard of Melkisedc? You know who Melkisedc is? Melkisedc. You know that's the the thing that said I need to research on the top of my book. Oh okay. So Melkisedc is someone who lived at the time of Abraham in Hebrew 7 is mentioned. Melkisedc is someone who has no mother, no father. Not only that, no beginning of time, no end of days. So he's alpha and omega. Has no father, no mother. Has no genealogy. And he will remain a priest forever. That's what Hebrew says. And nobody says he's God. So no father, no mother. You're saying Jesus had no no father. He had no father, no mother. So not having a father or not having a mother and miraculously being created by God or doing a miracle does not make you God. Do you know why Jesus the only reason why? Do you know everything Jesus did? Everything Jesus did that was miraculous. He didn't do himself. Do you know that? Okay. So how can you then attribute it to Jesus and make him divine when he's not doing it? Jesus, the Bible says in Acts 2:22, Jesus of Nazareth, a man accredited by God. Accredited by who? By God. By miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through him, and you're witness to it. So, he did not do the miracles. God did the miracles. Okay? He was a man. He's a human being. Sacrificial lamb. again sacri even if you want to accept that accept sacrificial lamb reject sacrificial lamb that doesn't mean divinity again we're talking about divinity now we're talking about why do you say he's a part of god we're say we're saying why do you say he's a trinity why do you say all of that it's not in the Bible and the Bible disagrees with you I'm showing you the Bible disagrees with you know if I say to you what's your name AJ AJ if I'm not a liar we say hypothetically now if I'm not if I don't say anything anything which is a lie ever and I say AJ is the only man in could there be any other man if I don't if I say the truth if I'm saying the truth okay no it's impossible if Jesus says the only God is the father does Jesus lie no if he said the only God is the father would you then agree that he isn't God no if Jesus said I'm not answer question like even your friend is laughing man I'm not going to answer a question that goes against our belief. That's like me making off of logic. I'm asking a question, a logical question, right? If I logic to make you go against your belief, you're not going to ask. No, it's we're saying if he did, I will answer if you ask me. Ask me a logical question. I'll answer to be able to think through and ask you a question. You have sure he he has a question for me, but I might have a few. He he might have questions as well. I don't mind. But by the way, I'll take all the questions you have, but I just want an answer to this question. I'll ask you the same question cuz he refuses to answer. It's a basic question. If Jesus said the only true God is the father, would you then agree that he isn't God, the Holy Spirit is in God, nothing else is God? If he said that, if he said these words, if he said the only but even though he told you the only true God is the father, what's the scripture that says he says that? I'm saying if if hypothetical question, that's why I'm asking. Oh, well, you can't go for hypothetical. No, rationally, would Jesus be saying the truth that the only true God is the father? I just want to see first if you agree with the logic or not. I'd rather you show the scripture. The scripture says the same thing I told you. Jesus says the only true God is the father. Which one? That's why you're refusing to answer. Which one? John 17:3. Read it. You open it. Yeah. John 17:3. So that's why you're refusing to answer. But here's the scripture now. It's not logic. So respond. Okay. What's the scripture? John 17:3. You can start from verse one because it will say Jesus lifts up his eyes to heaven and he says, "Father, glorify me, etc." Then he goes on in verse three, he says, "This is eternal life that they may know that they may know you, you the only true God and Jesus whom you have sent." So he says here speaking to the father that the father is the only true God and this is eternal life that they may know thee. Who is thee? Who's thee? The father. The father. Father. He go to verse one. He's speaking about the father. You know who who thou has sent. Yes. So there is one true God. Only true God is the father and he has sent Jesus. My point. So Jesus says with his own words, the only true God is the father and that he is sent by the only true God. That's our belief as Muslims. That's that's what we call jihad. So only one god worthy of worship and Jesus is sent by him or prophet Muhammad is sent by him. That's my point. So I'm say look I cannot help you anymore. All I can do is to show you what even in your own book which I'm telling you even it's not historically right but I'm still using it is this where it contradicts it later on in the Bible. I can pull up a scripture right now 100%. What contradicts what? Sorry. Contradicts that Jesus is but didn't show me a contradiction in your book. That's it. Like you're not really helping yourself. You get what I'm saying? Sorry. Parable. No that's not a parable. It's not a parable when he gives the fact because parables are argorical and in their nature you can tell it's a parable. He speaking clearly interpretation of you know a parable is in metaphor fact is there a fact of what do you know what a parable is definition of a parable parable is not literal clear speech like this that's not a parable a parable is where you give an example of something which is ambiguous that here he's explicitly that as well come on him saying no no I don't know I don't know because there are examples where Christian scholars will tell you this is a parable not a single what the Christian scholars are so who who do we look at then Look at a Christian respondent. I'm making no I'm making there isn't a single person who knows biblical text who will tell you this is a parable. Bring me one person. You just parable has a definition. I'm saying a parable has a definition. Google what the definition is and this doesn't fit the definition for pastor Anthony Mitchell. What do you say? Pastor Anthony Mitch would agree with ritual. What? Pastor Anthony Mitch. He agrees with who? He would agree with my point. Where does he say this is a parable? No, he hasn't. But you said bring me someone who would agree. No, I said bring me someone who said this verse is a parable. Why do they have to say it for me to believe? I'm You're making a claim. What What supports your claim that this is a parable? I'm claiming that my faith makes me believe that that could be a parable. Okay. So I then I cannot do anything for you. You just look this is the problem. What you use with your faith? Use human logic. Human logic can be tampered. Human logic can be incorrect. What What did you use to come to the conclusion that human logic can be tampered? used human logic. Come on. That's a self-defeating argument, man. You just you just defeated your own argument. Exactly. So, you you just defeated yourself. We can only speak through human logic. You cannot criticize human logic using human logic. Okay. So, I'm sorry, but that's a self-defeating argument. Some people don't have basic human logic. They're using it, aren't they? They're using their own human logic. They don't have it, but they're using it. Exactly. That's my whole point. Okay. Come on. You just know you just You don't make sense right now. Okay. It doesn't make sense. I I think you don't I think you're not having the human logic right now in your sentence. You said I don't have it. No, no, no. He said that this is basic human logic. Am I trying to say that Jesus But he just said that I don't have it. Am I Am I saying only you? Am I Am I saying that Jesus is God? Is that you're asking? No. Are you saying that he is a God? I'm saying Jesus isn't God. Yeah. Why in the Bible does he claim I am? And I am what? He says I am. Where? Well, I am what? For Abraham, I am. And okay, do you know scripture it says I can't remember exactly which scripture. I know which scripture it is. I read the Bible. I know name what they used to it if something to do with what they used to call God. I am or God said himself that I am. Okay. I can't remember exactly. No, I know I know exactly what you're talking about but but you're wrong and I'll tell you why. You're making a claim that I am is the name of God. Yeah. Okay. Which is the Christian Christians make that claim. Use Exodus chapter 3. That's what you're missing. Where Moses was asking God, who should I say to the people who you are? Then God said to him in Hebrew, by the way, he said, he didn't say I am. He said means I shall be or I shall be or I am whatever I am. That's what he said to him. But we can take your interpretation anyways which is an incorrect interpretation. So you say I am is the name of God. That's your argument. So what did Jesus say in in the in in John? It's in John by the way. What did you say in John? Do you know what the verse the claim that you're using? No, I don't know. Okay, I'll tell you. Do you know the context? No, I'll tell you. No problem. It's in John chapter 8 vers58 exactly what you quoted by the way. What is the context? The context is you have the Jewish people and and Jesus. Jesus tells the Jewish people about Abraham. They say you're not yet 30 years old or how you tell how you telling us or 50 years old. How are you telling us about Abraham? You're like you're still a youngster. How you telling us about Abraham who is like centuries before you? So then he says to them before Abraham was I am. Okay. Now what does before Abraham was I am mean? Was God. Perfect. Let me shake your hat. No, I love I love this. I This is This is perfect. You just reputed him. So So look, I'll tell you why you just reputed him. The problem with Christians is that they try to say that that that in this verse, Jesus is claiming to be God, but all he said is before Abraham was I am. Meaning before Abraham, God was. So God told me about Abraham. There's no problem. He existed all all the time. So he can tell me about Abraham, can tell me about anyone. So, so the you can only say he's claiming to be God there if he says before Abraham I am I am. So I am God. I am that name of God. But he doesn't make that claim. So you he just refuted what we said because we used common common sense there. He has the power to forgive. Does only God have the power to forgive? No. Uh not only God has the power to forgive, but God can give the authority to his prophets to do certain things. For example, Prophet Muhammad has told some of his companions that they're going to heaven. He said, "You're going to heaven. You're going to heaven." I said God has forgiven your sins. God has forgiven. No problem. Prophets can say information, can tell people that God has forgiven you. So where do you believe Jesus is at this current point in time? We believe Jesus is above. He's in heaven. Where is where would you say that Muhammad is right now? Prophet Muhammad is in Medina. His body Yeah. is in Medina. So why is Jesus in heaven? But Muhammad is because Jesus we believe has a second coming. He has another mission that he's telling them fulfill which is killing the antichrist. So, and then after he kills the antichrist, we believe he will die and then he will be in a grave like Prophet Muhammad and everyone else. Every human will die, but he just has another mission to fulfill. I'm pretty sure we read this before when he said, "I am the father of Allah." Yeah. Again, it's a Okay, the reference is of what you're saying. Just let this guy go. What you just quoted is in John chapter 10 verse 30. You know the context? Look, this why I ask every Christian because Christians say the words, they don't know their own book. They don't know that what Jesus said before, what was said after. They don't know nothing. You just know the verse, you hear it in the church, and they go say it to the people. And that's my problem with Christian. That's not true. Sorry, that's not true. It is. I I speak to Christians literally every day. And that's why Christian that is not you. Not you. I'm speaking to Christians every day. No, but you're making a statement based in general. You're speaking off of everyone. You said Christians. You didn't say some Christians. Sure. Let's say some majority of Christians. I'm going to say I'm not going to say some. I'm going to say majority. Okay. So John 10:30 which you just quoted the context is Jesus was walking in Solomon's porch. The Jewish people surrounded Jesus. They asked him are you the Messiah? Tell us clearly. Yeah. He says I told you but you do not believe. Then he starts talking about his followers. He says that my followers are like sheep. You hear my voice. Then he says no one can take them out of my hand. No one can take them out of my father's hand. I and the father are one. Meaning in this in this purpose. It doesn't mean I am the father of God or something. Then then then I'll tell you something interesting here. The Jewish people pick up stones to stone Jesus. So they understand what you understood. They misunderstand Jesus. They think Jesus is claiming to be God. So they pick up stones to stone him. So Jesus says, "For which of the good works that I did?" Yes. Uh he said, "Of which of the good works are you stoning me? Of which of the good works that I have done are you stoning me?" So they say, "We're not stoning you for the good works. We're stoning you for blasphemy cuz you're a main man. You're a mere man claiming to be God. So the Jewish people understand like you. They misunderstand. That's why Jesus kept telling them, "You misunderstand my words." So did Jesus say then, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am God. I'm not blaspheming." That's what he's supposed to say. He's God. He's going to say, "Yes, I am God. I'm not blaspheming." Do you know what he said to them? He said to them, "What do you have to say?" Because you're saying he's God. So if they say you are blasphe, blaspheming means you're claiming to be God when you're not God. But dreams didn't prove a lot of these points. Okay, so when they accuse him of blaspheming, if he's God, what is he going to say to them? Okay, I'll tell you. He says to them, doesn't it say in your own book that you are God? He's quoting the Old Testament. He's quoting Psalms 82:6 where God calls the judges of the Jews gods. So say in your own book, this language, God calls you gods. Doesn't mean anything. Then he says, "I only said I'm the son of God." So he doesn't say, so he's refuting that. He's refuting people like you who think that he's claiming to be God. So that verse is a refutation of the people who claim that Jesus is God cuz he's refuting them there. Also, I'll add the the cherry on the cake as they say, you know, and then you can come with your next question. Also the Bible records in John chapter 17 Jesus says just like I and the father are one. The same way all of the believers will be one with us. They will all be in me and and in you in God. So I and the father one doesn't mean divinity or you will have to say all the believers are God. All the believers are part of the trinity. It just means in purpose means in faith. Which of the believer had such faith? came like what he and the father are I'm just making I'm just telling you Jesus himself said all of them all the believers can say this which one of them did all of them can say this you can but which one did but that's irrelevant Jesus already said it's irrelevant because I'm responding to you because we have Jesus himself who is the point of contention saying that all of them are going to be one why do they need to say it if I if I say if I say wait if I was God and said that you are the strongest person here. You don't need to say it yourself. It doesn't matter. I already established that fact about you. If you're claiming Jesus, if I'm claiming Jesus already established that fact, they don't need to say it themselves so we can prove it. Unless Jesus is lying. Is Jesus lying? Why would you need to prove to them that he wasn't blasphe? No. No. Is Jesus lying? Is Jesus lying when he says that they're all one? No. That's it. So the point prove it. So if they're all one like he's one the same way, then you cannot say his divinity. Say it was the same way because which one of No, no, he says the same way. Just as like I am I am the same way I am one with the father. All of them are going to be one. Yeah, I understand that man. It doesn't mean I agree with you. It doesn't mean literally. That's the point I'm making. You're just supporting me. That's why I'm saying that's why I'm telling you that I and the father are one is also not literal. That's the point I'm making. So you've not proved anything there. Yeah, I know. Look, look, this is what I'm trying to show you. I understand that. I don't ever try to debate with anybody of a different religion, especially Islam that believes in Jesus with a fact of I'm right, you're wrong. I'm trying to speak on the fact of my faith is the reason why I believe what I believe. Your your blind faith, you can say blind faith. That's okay. As long as you admit that, I'm okay. No, no, no. I say you can say blind faith. So, I'm not But if you cannot rationally substantiate it is blind faith. No, that's not true. For you, it's blind faith because that's what you believe. Do you know what the definition of blind faith is? Come on. It's not really. It doesn't need to be explained more than the word being said. It's very very understandable. It's not supported by by reason and rationality. And you're not supporting your belief with the reason rationality. Therefore, it's blind faith. You're entitled to believe what you want. Doesn't mean it's rational. Well, because you don't believe. No, because you cannot substantiate it from your own scripture or using reasoning. So, everybody that is isn't rational. That doesn't agree with me. They're not rational. No, I'm not making that claim. So what is your claim? My claim is if I speak to them and present rationality to them and they admit they have nothing. So before you spoke to them, rationality or not? Before I spoke to them, they could be misguided. They could be misinformed. They could have not studied their tradition. So I cannot make that claim. Answer. If the truth has been presented to them, then yes, they're not following rationality. They're following blind faith. Simple. So anyone that doesn't believe in You see how you're misrepresenting it? No, I'm not. I'm asking. No, I'm saying I'm saying if the truth is represented to them. Allah says in the Quran, I'll give you an example. Misrepresented. It's a question. No, not the question. Not not is the question can be misrepresented. I'm saying the truth can be misrepresented to them. For example, misrepresented to you. No, this that's that's the point. So we go to the scripture. That's why I keep going to the scripture with you. That's why we cannot go to misrepresentation when we read the book itself. When I I'm using the book with you. You're not presenting anything from the scripture. So it's no longer a misrepresentation. I told you this at the beginning though. Told me what from the beginning. I can't use the scriptures as of right now because I don't even know as I'm new to my job. No problem that I perfectly respect and understand that. But then this is the point I'm making. Then at this point is blind faith until you're able to substantiate it from the scripture. That's all I'm saying. That's that's a and that's fair enough to say. You can ask me about the Quran and if I don't present you scriptures and evidences then it's blind faith as well. But I can present to you scriptures and evidences. Now, I'm going to give you a chance because I know you you've been very generous in giving me a lot of your time, you know. Do you have any questions about Islam? I'm happy to answer if you ask something. This is a question that's very like some people might take offense to it and some don't. I I don't mind. You can ask. I can I think I can get I can I can I can I think I have an idea of what what you're trying to say kind of. No, you tell me. You tell me because there's many of them. I was speaking to some people that I work with, some Muslims I work with. And they was quoting scriptures from the Quran. Yeah. And one of them quoted that in the Quran it says that uh you should hit your woman if she I don't remember fully if she says first refuse to share your bed. Second [Applause] I know I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. Would you say you believe in this? I believe in the Quran, not not in what you represent, not in what you just told me. Basically, yeah, it's basically the verse doesn't say exactly how how he's saying it. So, the verse you quoted, by the way, is chapter 4 of the Quran, specifically verse 34. Allah says in the Quran, first Allah mentions the righteous women in Islam. Allah says, "So men are the guardians, maintainers of women, etc. with what God has given them over women." Okay. So God has given us certain things that he's not given to women. That's why they were the guardians were in charge etc. Then Allah says righteous women. He gives the description of righteous women and they guard if the husband is not there they don't cheat. They don't do anything. Then Allah says about the disobedient woman. So now we're talking about women not good women. Yeah. A woman that is a disobedient wife that disobys God and disobys her husband etc. How do you deal with them? So Allah gives us a stepbystep process on how you deal with them. So first Allah says advise them. That's the first thing that Allah says. And these things now are in order. You do one, then you do one, then you do one. So, how long do you advise our wife? If she's not listening, how long do I advise her for? There's not a specific limited time. Okay? For as long as until you know your wife, you know, she's not listening anymore, right? That could take one year, that could take two years. It doesn't matter. Then if that doesn't work, then what you do? Allah say then you abandon them in the same sleeping. So you sleep in the same place, same bed, but you don't have intercourse with them or kind of break you know that desire. Do you understand? I'm in the same bed but I'm not going to touch you. So for how long? Same thing as the first one until we see this is not working. Then Allah says then then the last thing here is the one that that you want to say right now. What does the word mean in the Arabic language? We have the same word used by the prophetatam when he's saying we can perform something called udu is ablution where we put water before we pray. If we don't have water yeah if we don't have water we can use uh you can say dust or sand etc. There's something else called the prophet said do daba the same word on the on the earth. How do we do it? We do like like this. So that word daba does not mean severe hitting and beating as you're trying to understand. So the word beating in the English language does not suffice its meaning because beating means severe hitting. Severe hitting is explicitly prohibited by the prophet Muhammad wasallam. Prophet told us cannot hit. The prophet uses these words that you cannot severely hit a woman. You cannot break a bone. You cannot leave a mark. You cannot hit the face. Cannot do that to the woman. These are all restrictions and not allowed in Islam. Then Abdullah Abbas who is the cousin of the prophet Muhammad who the prophet said the prophet made a supplication that Allah gives him the understanding of the Quran he was asked how then is this hitting you know what he said he said swiak is something like a pen that's the hitting with the pen something like a pen similar to a pen that's why the prophet was our example as the Quran says he never hit any of his wives report he said he he never hit any of his wives he reported that our example is a prophet. So that's not hitting or beating or doing any of that. But what why is this now uh like let's say physical a little bit of physicalism being used? What does it signify? It signifies that now there will be a separation. I tried advising you it doesn't work. I tried forsaking your bed doesn't work. So now this is the last stage. Then Allah says in the next verse chapter four of the Quran verse 35 if you cannot reconcile. Now this that's why it's the last stage. If you cannot reconcile then bring a judge from her family and a judge from your family and then see if they wish reconciliation then Allah will put baraka will put success and blessing. If not then they can be separated. So that's not about severe hitting or beating. That's not allowed in Islam. In fact the prophet explicitly in the nation said do not hit the woman servants of Allah. Okay. Any other question? You see look here of course you can but I want to point out something here. Look it's not blind faith. It's things that are supported by evidences. Go ahead. the Quran. We have over 50 companions of the prophetam with their names. They were called writers of revelations. I can give you all of the their names right now if you like. And we know who they were. We know their names. We know their biographies, where they were born, how old they were. We know all of that information cuz the Quran didn't come as one book. It came in 23 years. And there was a group of companions called writers of revelation. So when a verse is revealed or a chapter is revealed, the prophet will call one of them. They will come on whatever parameters they have and they will write the Quran. Similar to the Bible in some ways. Yeah. So they will write the Quran. Okay. So the the Bible is different because it's inspired word of of Luke or Mark or that's what you believe. But we believe direct revelation was coming in the prophet and then he will call a person. So it's like Jesus calling someone come right down. It's different. So wouldn't you say that's blind faith at all then? What's blind faith? them getting revelations and just writing it down. No, no. Blind faith in what? In what aspect? They're writing the revelation. Revelation itself, we can use it to prove it's from God or not. You understand this point. So, we don't believe we don't just believe in Islam because someone wrote it down. Excellent question. How do Muslims prove that Islam is I love this question. And the answer is the following. First, there are there are multiple types of evidences that we use. Number one, we can say is the miraculous nature of the Quran itself. So the Quran has a challenge that has been given to the Arabs that has been given to everyone until the end of time. Imitate the Quran, produce something like it. First the challenge was bring something like the Quran. Then then the Arabs couldn't. Nobody could. Nobody the Quran has a very unique structure. It has a very unique structure in the Arabic language. So in the Arabic language you have pros, you have poetry. The Quran has its own unique genre. So the Arabs all the highest level of understanding of the Arabic language at the time. The Quran came in Arabic and he challenged him to produce similar structures to the Quran. So the structures of how the Quran is made imitated and bring something like it. Now I'm giving you examples, right? I'm giving you example number that that proves by the way because this is this is an objective criteria. I'm I'm responding right now. This is an objective criteria. You have Christian Arabs, millions of them. You have Jewish Arabs. You have uh Arabic professors who are here in England. You can look at them who are non-Muslims. All of them you can go to them say to them can you produce something like the structure of the Quran do you agree that this is the highest literature form in the Arabic lane all of them will admit to you that this is the case and we can know because we can study every chapter there's a book written uh it's called and it has every chapter what makes it unique what are the unique structures in it that you can imitate and show us something like it if you're able to right so it's an objective criteria for anyone who understands the Arabic language and its eloquency so that can be anyone who speaks Arabic it doesn't have to be a Muslim to take that challenge right and the Quraysh by the way that time they were the highest uh people in the Arabic language understood the Arabic language more than anything that was their specialtity that's why that challenge came in the Arabic language none of them were able to imitate it until today you have all of these Muslims Arabs none of them you don't have any single example of anyone who were able to imitate or meet the challenge of the Quran I said I'm going to give you different examples that's example number one example number two okay if you produce a scripture produce a scripture ure you're you're an expert in whichever language it is and I produce to you a scripture that has a specific grammatical structure has a specific combination of words etc and I say imitate it bring something like it and if you do then that's proof I'm not a prophet of god if you're unable to do that if every human being is unable to do that then what I've produced is something that humans cannot come up with sorry I don't believe that's correct I told you go do your research on who Has anyone ever throughout history been able to imitate the I don't believe you on this. So what you're saying is not correct. Why does it say in the Quran or anywhere any religion that if it's not able to be imitated it is proof that it's from God? The Quran says the Quran says if you don't believe that this scripture is from God because it has a miraculous nature in the Arabic language. If you don't believe it's from God then bring something like it. It's a challenge of the Quran. Actually Quran itself mentions that bring a book like it. Yes. It says bring a booklet like it bring to it challenged the Arabs to do that and they couldn't do it and that challenges until the end of times it's not only for the Arabs is until the end of time even today you have AI you have all of these things and nobody have been able to do it you can go ask AI there are people who use language AI and the language AI told you that they cannot imitate the Quran so either way that's a fact that's a reality so that's number one number two prophecies of prophet Muhammad sorry has never been done no no until it's been done. You cannot refute the challenge. The challenge is until that is done that is a claim. Nobody can do this. If someone does this, then we can talk. Until Jesus comes back or God comes back, we can't. No, no, no. But if Jesus comes back, what maybe someone that can we have the Quran, we can observe today. We don't have Jesus. We can observe today. We can observe the grammatical eloquence and miracle of the Quran today. Cannot observe Jesus today or his miracles. So, it's not the same. one one you can see with your own eyes and appreciate it miracle one is already gone 2,000 years ago it's not the same so you cannot make that claim that's a false comparison but let me as I said finish the examples I want to give that example number one example number two the prophecies of prophet Muhammad prophet Muhammad has made tens of prophecies if not hundreds of prophecies about the future clear specific the Bible again you were asking me this is a problem that you're you're missing over here you're asking me about Islam asking about Christianity asking me about Islam. You said what do you use to show that Islam is the truth? So when similarity Yeah. So so when I'm presenting it, what's the point of telling me is it doesn't mean anything. You're asking me about Islam, right? So I'm telling you in Islam, these are the evidences and the prophecy that you don't Okay. The prophecies that are You really want to go there? Let's go there. Bring me one prophecy in the Bible that came true. Clear cut prophecy that you can show it was written before the event and it came true. Go ahead. Um, it's one of Isaiah's. There's a menu. No, give an example. Give an example. One example. I'll show you. I know, but I don't want to see. Look, I my phone is here the whole conversation. I don't need to use it. You both have been using your phones. I don't need to use it. Go ahead. That's true. That doesn't make it any more spiritual. No problem. Sure. As I said to you, no problem. It's okay. Go ahead. Isaiah prophesies that a virgin will conceive a child. How do you know that with Jesus? You cannot. You have to prove to me first. Do you not believe in the same way? You're missing You're missing the point. You cannot prove your prophecy from my belief. You have to be both. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You have to independently, you have to independently on your own. Like if an atheist was here, he would tell you, "I don't believe Jesus was born for a virgin." Why? You have to prove that. How can you prove that? Can't prove this prophecy. I need something that can be proven. Give me something that can be proven. the prophecy of Jesus dying on the cross again. Can I prove I just told you you have no eyewitnesses? I I was having a whole discussion on how you can you know by the the Bible itself is contradictory about the crucifixion. By the way, I can prove to you Jesus was incri crucified from the Bible. Jesus said according to the Bible that the son of man like Jonah just like Jonah the son of man will be in the belly of the earth like Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights the son of man would be 3 days and three nights Jesus was not in the in the tomb for 3 days and three nights so do we have now the discre discrepancy the first discrepancy is that this prophecy is false because Friday night and Sunday afternoon that's not 3 days and three nights by definition that's number one number two Jonah was alive in the belly of the whale. So if Jesus says I will be like just like the sign of Jonah that means he would be alive in the grave not dead. So if it was the same sign the sign of Jonah it was only a sign because he remained alive in the belly of the whale. So Jesus can only be a sign if he's alive in the grave. So first here is a contradiction in the number of days in the Bible record itself. There's no explanation for that. Secondly, Jesus quotes a prophecy about himself in in in Matthew chapter 4 when Satan tries to uh you know deceive Jesus and and and offer him all the world and everything. Uh Jesus quoted a prophecy about himself that God is going to protect him. He quoted an Old Testament prophecy from the Psalms. Psalms 91. Do you know what the Psalms 91 says? It says that Jesus will not be harmed. Nobody will do any harm to him and God will answer his prayers like when he said God take the crucifixion away from me. God will lift him up with angels. He will protect him. He will not be harmed. No calamity will ever befall him. So we use that to prove Islamic belief that Jesus was raised by angels. That's the literally what we believe. Just like that prophecy that Jesus quotes about himself, we believe the same thing. Jesus was raised up. God saved him when he called upon God. Because the the 91 says you call upon me and I will answer. Jesus called upon him to save him. We believe God saved Jesus like it says God will save him. So these are my evidences from your book. So what do you guys believe that Jesus was saved? If you say that Jesus wasn't crucified and died those who wanted to kill him, the Jews and the Romans. So you believe that the Jews and the Romans killed him? You said who do you believe he was saved from? I'm just telling you he was saved from those who wanted to kill him. The Jews and the Romans. He he was saved from them. Okay. Now let's come back to Islam because look when you come to Christianity you tell me about prophets. I'll challenge you. You're not going to be able to present anything. So allow me to speak about Islam because if you build your Christianity it's not good for you. I'm going to criticize what you bring. Right? So let's stick in Islam. In Islam like I said prophet has tens of prophecies. Now you can ask me give an example. I'll give you 30 examples now. Not one if you want. For example, Prophet Muhammad said you will see the barefoot Bedwin Arabs. You know bedwin Arabs. Arabs are there's many nations of the Arabs but between Arabs are those specifically who live in the desert tent 10 camels you know like the Gulf countries so the prophet said you will see the barefoot Bedwin Arabs near the end of times they will be competing in building the tallest buildings with each other you know where is the tallest building in the world today Dubai Khalifa do you know Dubai was a desert 50 years ago they had no tall buildings nothing you know what changed what changed they found oil that's why they had money and then the money allowed them to build tall buildings. The prophet said the earth will puke its treasures just like gold and silvers and money will become abundant to the new Arabs. So he didn't only say what they will be building. He said what the earth will do. The prophet said the deserts of Arabia will come back to be meadows and rivers again. Now you know the deserts of Arabia today we have a nature magazine. I can show it to you. Nature Middle East. They're showing you how the deserts of Arabia were all middle rivers and meadows with all green and rivers. They say 5,000 years ago it was. How would the prophet know? They say we know because we find fossils of animals like you know elephants and whales can only live if there's a lot of water. Can only live if there is vegetation water. They say we can trace 10,000 Asian lakes using satellites. How the prophet Muhammad know what how the land was 5,000 years before him? How can he know that? And he said it will come back to being green. Look now there's a NASA has an article called the greening of Saudi Arabia. It will show you how it was yellow and now it's becoming green. But me personally, I don't believe in NASA and all of that space. No, no. I'm not talking about space. I'm just saying NASA is taking a picture of Saudi Arabia. How is yellow desert and then how is becoming green. So you can go today with your own eyes see the greenery in Saudi Arabia because of the advancement. We can access water within the earth. So in Saudi Arabia is becoming green now is the point I'm trying to make. Like the prophet said, you don't need to accept NASA. By the way, there's a lot more evidences. I just I anyways my point is we have many evidences to present that Islam is the truth. Yes. Do you know the prophecy about the locust, the stop of the rainfall in the pandemic which proves the coming of Jesus and God's time? No. You're going to have to tell me that. No. No. I don't know what locust prophecy you're referring to. No. And it's already been prophesied in 2020. It happened in each country that Well, not it didn't have specific country, but it was all prophesied. Do you know my problem with the prophecies that you that Christians present usually majority of Christians is that it's vague, ambiguous, not clear like what I'm giving you and they interpret it their own. They see reality and they put reality in the prophecy. But they could do that in um in Dubai. No, you cannot because how can you do? Obviously the treasure was there. What treasure? The treasure that came from the earth. No, the oil was not of value until recently because because of technology. You couldn't have treasures. How could you do it? No, no. I'm saying it came about. I'm saying however that it came about. The prophet said they will come about. No, no, no. So that's another prophecy you're missing. That's another prophecy. No, but then men that have read that from years when it's come they could have decided to do anything to you're missing the the part that the fact that it came is also a part of the prophecy because he also prophesies that it will come. You're also missing the fact men could have just No. The Arabs the Arabs just No. No. You're missing the point. The Arabs did not have the capacity to build tall buildings. They're not builders. That's why they brought people from India, people from here, people from Pakistan, whatever. They're not builders. They needed the money and the prophet said they are going to bring the money. And the prophet said do not waste the money. Muslims nation now are poor. They need money. Prophet is not going to be approving of people wasting money on buildings. 2 Chronicles 7:3. I may stop the sky from sending rain. Say, can you raise your face? Sorry. I may stop the sky from sending rain. I may command the locust to destroy the land. I may send sickness to my people. Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, if they would pray and seek me and stop their evil ways, I will hear them from heaven. Sure. The same exact thing is in the Quran. Allah says that that if the people are disobedient, Allah will send upon you a punishment. A punishment can be diseased. Which one was written first? No, no. My point is, could you answer that? You're missing the point. So this was written first. You're missing the point. Point I'm making is a general prophecy. I can bring you 100 book that says God will send disease upon this. That's a general written before the Bible. No, no. Yes, there are books like the Hindu scripture this and that. I can bring you certain things. Exact same thing. There's a billion scripture that will say God will say I will punish you by disease if you don't obey and listen to me. That means nothing. It says all three at the same All three. Yeah. Stopping the rain and the Yeah. The rain didn't When did the rain stop? In Australia. No. No. So that's only a part of the land. What where does it mention Australia there? It doesn't mention Australia. Okay. So how can you apply this as everything? They say that they will make the the prophet said the bed the bedwin Arabs. I gave you a description. I told you specifically the Arabs are bedwin that live in the desert like the Gulf countries for example like but that's notific. No no it's a specific desert to the Bedwin Arabs. specifically the people the prophet specifically mentions the Arabs not the the Arabs that live in Egypt or live in in the buildings or whatever no the bedwin Arabs specifically he specifies these people will be doing wait will be doing the specific action of building buildings that's the problem I said to you the the prophecies that you will present me it will be general things like death famine this these are general things by the way there are many prophecies like this I don't use them as evidence I use things which are specific they're not specific to that standard they're either all individual. You know the Quran has prophecies with time bound with specific year. This one here you said that it has the exact same one. No, I told you the Quran mentions Allah will mention punishment upon us like disease etc. Not stopping rain. That's why I disagreed with you even that rain didn't stop. The rain was going in here in England. It was so much rain co time coming down. Come on you're talking about it only in that desert. There's nowhere bin Arabs are biddedwin nowhere else. The word Bedwin can only mean desert Arab. The people who live in the desert and Afert in Dubai that no other desert Yeah. There's no other bedwin Arabs. Any other any other Bedwins are not Arabs. You don't unless they live in the Gulf in this land in Arabian Peninsula, they're not Arabs. So only those people who can fit the prophecy. Any other desert, any other Bedwins do not fit the prophecy. They have to be Arabs and they also have to be Bidwins. So it's a very specific prophet Arabs and they've moved to somewhere that was they don't they which which there's didn't happen historically you have a a large number of they're no longer bedw because they'll go to lands which are no longer bedw where ever in history did Arabs go as as a whole and go to another desert it didn't happen anyways yeah I'm saying if they did they would fit the criteria but it didn't happen anyways I think that we should stop here you know we had a very very l Yeah we gonna we're gonna keep going forever I think she's very bored by us Look, we we we bought her to watch this discussion. All right. It was a pleasure talking to you guys. Anyways, look, I'll ask God God to guide you. May Allah guide you all. And you know, uh try to seek the truth. Please. Please don't like close your heart with this idea of just blind faith. Research. Look, you said you don't know right now the scripture, whatever. Research. Research what I said. Research evidences from Islam. That's all I'm asking you to do. You don't need to accept what I'm saying. All right. Pleasure talking to you. See you guys. by