You may be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello. This is the case of
Lohman v. Mitchell. Thank you Jerome.
Good day everyone. AUDIENCE: Good day. Ms. Lohman, you are in court
today hoping and praying,
your fiancé Mr. Mitchell, is the biological father
of your daughter London. And you and your mother
are here to prove it. You say, today's DNA results
will determine the future
of your family together. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Mitchell, you say,
nothing would make
you happier than finding out you are London's
biological father. But you are in court
today believing there
is no way you are. You say, if the DNA results,
prove you are not the father. Next month's wedding is off. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. All right, so, you're joined
by your cousin who fears you're being
taken advantage of
by the plaintiff. So, Ms. Lohman, today's
result will determine
the future of your family? Explain. Your Honor, when
me and Jonathan,
uh, got together. I was... You know,
I was very happy. Um, we... Got engaged
January of last year. And if London is not
to become of Mr. Mitchell then our wedding is
gonna be off and that's
gonna, you know... It's really gonna upset me. All right, and how
is it affecting
your relationship now? Me and Mr. Mitchell,
we fight all the time
about, you know, me telling Mr. Mitchell
that London is his and... He will tell me,
"No, you know,
I don't think she is." But you've also told him
that she's not, so? No, I have never actually
told Jonathan that he was not. I told him there was
a possibility that he
might not be. But I have never
for sure told him
he hasn't been. So, talk to me about
the nature of
your relationship? We met when we were
sophomores in high school. Junior year, we had
a lot of classes together, so, we became
really good friends. And, you know, he started
opening up to me and telling
me about his home life. He came from a very,
very, hard, difficult,
terrible background. And I wanted to help him
and save him from that. So, you know,
I went home and I
spoke to my mother and... My dad about it and
you know, I was like, "Can we
do something about it?" They're like,
"Yeah, we're helping." So, he'd end up, you know... (SIGHS) He'd ended up
coming to live with us. And I was really happy
when he got away from that. And so your relationship
started while he was living
with you and your family? Yes ma'am. Were you single
at that time? No, Your Honor,
I had a boyfriend
at that time. He moves in and then
what happens? Um, after about two months
of him living with me
and my family. We were sitting on the
couch one day, just talking
and he kissed me. And I told him, you know,
"I have a boyfriend,
we can't do this." And he just kind of
shrugged it off
and said, "Okay." Okay, so, at that point
Mr. Mitchell, was
just your friend? Yes, Your Honor.
About a week after that
we were in the pool and we were swimming
under the water and he
kissed me under the water and I came up. And I didn't stop it. I let it continue
and we ended up you know, we ended
up having sex. All right, and so,
Mr. Mitchell, do you
remember when your feelings for Ms. Lohman changed from friends to more? Yes, Your Honor. So, tell me about
what you came to love
about Ms. Lohman? I loved how she did stuff.
I liked how she cared
for me whenever I... Didn't have anybody
that cared for me. And she said, you had
a very tough childhood, is that true... Yes ma'am. I was abused, I was... Had to do everything
for my family, I raised... My three sisters
and my brother
basically by myself. It's hard. I understand, so, when you
moved in with Ms. Lohman, it was like finding
a family, real family. Yes, Your Honor. And they took you in
and you finally felt
at home somewhere. Yes, Your Honor. All right. So, this relationship
now turned to more
than a friendship? Yes, Your Honor. But you're still
in a relationship with this boyfriend
at the time. Am I correct, Ms. Lohman? Yes, Your Honor. So, what was that
situation like? He never found out
and to this day,
he still doesn't know. He does not know to
this day that you were also
sleeping with Mr. Mitchell? Right, Your Honor. Was this just a one time
thing when you all... Ended up having sex
or did it continue? It continued. Were you using protection? No, Your Honor. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMS) So, you have,
an ex-boyfriend? Yes, Your Honor. Who believed that he was
the father, until... They split and she got
with Jonathan and... Disappeared. So, when you found out
you were pregnant your
ex believed it was his? Yes, Your Honor,
because at that time
I also thought it was his. Why did you think
it was his if you knew
you were also having sex with Mr. Mitchell? At the time I was with him
so, I wanted to make myself
believe that it was my exes... Oh, okay, so, you admittedly,
just lie to yourself and blocked out the
Mr. Mitchell possibility? Yes, Your Honor. So, Mr. Mitchell,
do you remember finding out Ms. Lohman
was pregnant? Yes, Your Honor. When you found that out
what were you thinking? I didn't know
what to think. I didn't know if
it was mine or his. At that point, were you... Were you all dating now,
you and Ms. Lohman? Yes, Your Honor. No, Your Honor, I... We were not dating
at the time I told him
there was a possibility. I was still with my ex
at that time. Okay. And so... This ex believed,
"This is my child." Yes, Your Honor. You never said anything
to Mr. Mitchell? No, Your Honor. Mr. Mitchell, if...
When you found out... You immediately thought
this could be my child. Did you confront
Ms. Lohman and say,
"Hey, is this my baby?" Not immediately. When did you do it? I waited a couple of days
and thought it over. So, Ms. Lohman, how did
you finally tell Mr. Mitchell that you thought the baby
could potentially be his? When I was about six weeks. Um, I had went
to the doctor, and... Confirmed that I was pregnant. And then on my second
doctor's appointment,
I asked, you know, do you know,
do you have an estimate
of when I conceived 'cause I can't tell you
the exact date. And she told me, I conceived
somewhere between
October 12th and October 22nd. And I got looking back
at the dates. And I had had sex
with Mr. Mitchell, more times
than I had sex with my ex. I had sex with Mr. Mitchell, about everyday and only
once or twice with my ex. All right. I don't think that's
how that works. So, you do understand
that it is not a numbers game? Yes, Your Honor. I don't mean it to be funny.
I'm serious, you do
understand that, so? You could have sex
with someone 20 times and have sex
with someone else one time. And that one time
make a baby. Yes, Your Honor. Okay. After you realized,
when you conceived. Everything pointed
to Mr. Mitchell. Yes, Your Honor. How do you tell him? We were sitting at home
and I told him, I was like, "There is a possibility that
London could be yours." And... Because I looked
at the dates. And then after
she was born, I was like... "Mr. Mitchell, she looks
just like you." I was like, "She has
your eyes the same
exact eye color." But just because she has
blue eyes and blond hair
don't mean she's mine. Yes, but my ex had
light blue eyes. Jonathan, has dark blue eyes
and London has dark blue eyes. And so, all through
this pregnancy who
is helping you? Mr. Mitchell is. So, you're with her
through this pregnancy? Yes. Yes, ma'am. And you're there
when the baby is born? Yes, Your Honor. Do you sign the
birth certificate? No, Your Honor. No, Your Honor, at that time
I was confused as to
who the father was. So, I didn't want to put
anybody on the birth
certificate except myself. Okay, well,
that's responsible. So, you don't put anyone
on the birth certificate. But you're still there
for the baby, Mr. Mitchell? Yes, ma'am. And the baby starts
to develop... And you start comparing
features, huh? Yes, Your Honor. And, so then, that furthers
your belief that Mr. Mitchell
is the child's father? Yes, Your Honor. You say, they have
the same eyes? Yes, Your Honor. All right, let's look at this. On the left is London... And on the right
is Mr. Mitchell. And you believed
that is an indicator. That Mr. Mitchell is
her biological father? Not only that, Your Honor.
My ex had little to
no eye lashes. Mr. Mitchell has
extremely long... Thick eyelashes and
my daughter London
does as well. She's a girl...
She can just get it. (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) Yeah. Okay, just because she's
a girl don't mean anything. She's got long lashes. Because I'm a girl.
My mother is a woman. I mean, neither one of us
have long lashes... So, now, London is
ten months old and Mr. Mitchell, you say,
you've bonded with this baby. Yes, Your Honor. How so, explain to the court? I love her to death. She's amazing. (SIGHS) She's amazing, you say? Yes, Your Honor. PUMMIL:He has been there
from day one. He takes care of her,
he watches her. He... He has become
so attached to this baby and he has treated her
as if he's known all
along that she is his. But... The doubts are there
and it is better
for him to know. Now, it's better for
everybody especially
London to know now if he is in fact
for certain her father. Or if he's not because
if it goes on... For much longer.
I feel it will be like,
more traumatic for everybody involved
to find out later that
he is not the father. I really do believe
that London is his. Why do you believe
he's being taken
advantage of? I believe that she knows
that Jonathan is going
to do what is right. He loves the baby and
he is going to step up and
be the father that she needs. And I feel, like,
because she knows that... That is why we are
in this situation we are in. So, you basically believe Ms. Lohman has
chosen Mr. Mitchell... Yes. As the best of the
two options? Right. No, that is not correct. No, Your Honor,
that is not correct. I love Mr. Mitchell,
with everything I have. I have been his best friend
since the day when I met him. I love him not because
he will take care of London. I love him because
he is my best friend. She don't treat me
like she does though. Certainly doesn't talk
to him like she does. You don't always treat
her right either? But I treat her better
than she does me. Not always. The point is this,
you say, you love this man. And you say, you truly
believe he's London's
biological father. My question is this,
is your belief that he is
London's biological father rooted in the fact that
you love him so much? Or as she just said,
you feel like, he's going
to do right by the baby? What I'm saying is
both of those two
arguments you understand have absolutely no bearing
on the paternity question? Yes, Your Honor. If your belief is based
on the conception dates. Now, that's something
we can talk about. If it's just based on
a want and a love that's not how it works
in this court room. Mr. Mitchell, has testified
that he has a beautiful loving relationship
with London. I have to ask,
what is your ex doing? Absolutely nothing
with his life. We have no idea
where he's even at. I have no contact with him. I even tried to speak
to his, his father. And his father has
no idea. He hasn't
seen him in six months. Oh, goodness! We don't know
where he's at. He will not talk to me. He has told all his friends,
"Do not let them." He won't let me get
in contact with him...
To get in contact with him. I've tried, you know, just... Just to get in contact
with him, be like,
"Hey, you know, "we need to figure
something out here..." He will not get
in contact with me. He has deleted and
blocked all my numbers. He has blocked and
deleted me on Facebook. The same as the rest
of my family. My goodness, so...
Have you ever been
able to tell him, "I'm pregnant and
this might be yours." Yes, Your Honor. You did give
that information? Yes, because I was
with him at the time
I conceived London. Right, so, you were
with him at that time. Then you moved on
to Mr. Mitchell? Yes, Your Honor. So, at what point
do you two get engaged? We were in Indiana
with a family member
of Mr. Mitchell's. And he took me on...
Mr. Mitchell, took me
on a walk. And we were under
a beautiful bridge.
And he proposed to me. So, he proposed to you,
you said, "Yes." Yes, Your Honor. Even in spite of this
paternity question? Yes, Your Honor. The paternity was in
the very back of my mind. How old was London
when you proposed? I was still pregnant
with London. Oh, you were still pregnant? Yes, Your Honor. But, now, you are engaged
but London's born and now
that London's born and you're looking
at the features. And you're comparing
the features, you think
it's Mr. Mitchell. But Mr. Mitchell and
Ms. Pummil, your cousin, you all starting
to have doubts? Yes, Your Honor. Because of the fact
that there was
the overlapping. That there was more than
one person that was being
slept with. At the same time. And the fact that... I mean, they argue,
and that has been said. We don't know who
the father is, you know. So, Mr. Mitchell, how do you feel
as you hold London? To have so much love
for this baby but to
have so many questions? I... I've been
there for her
the whole time, just... Taking care of her,
so, I've grown attached and I don't know if she's
mine or not though. So, as much as you
are hoping she is. The truth is you
really don't know. I really don't know. I want to know though. Well, I think I've heard
all that I need to hear. Jerome, I'm ready
for the results. Okay. These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics and
they read as follows. In the case of
Lohman v. Mitchell when it comes to 10-month-old
London Leona Lohman. She's amazing. (SIGHS) JUDGE LAKE: It has been
determined by this court. Mr. Mitchell... You... Are not the father. (AUDIENCE EXCLAIMS) (SOBS) (SOBS) Ms. Lohman, I can tell
that was not the news
you were expecting to hear. No, Your Honor. Are we certain? Is your ex... London's biological father? Or is there another
possibility that we just
have not spoken about yet? No, Your Honor,
there is no other possibility. (SIGHS) Mr. Mitchell, I'm so sorry,
I couldn't give you
the result you wanted. So, now, we have to
figure out where
we go from here. But we've got to now
do the right thing. Mr. Mitchell, you
have formed a beautiful
bond with the baby. I know you said
this relationship was on the line.
Where do we go from here? I'm going to keep it going. I'm going to stay her dad. You want to still
stay in her life? Yes. And be her dad. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) Let's figure out
how we do that. Because it is easier
said than done. So, you wanna try and
make it work with Ms. Lohman? Yes, Your Honor. Good, well, with that said,
Ms. Lohman, is there anything you'd like to say
to Mr. Mitchell? He's been wonderful
to your baby. Just want to tell
that I'm sorry and
that I love you. I love you too. (SNIFFS) Oh. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) (EXHALES) So... Now, we've figured out
how to move forward. And I want you all to
figure out how you put
this family together. But also help London
find her biological father. So, she could hopefully
have a relationship
with him too, okay? I wish you all
the very best. Court is adjourned.
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