Intellectually Bankrupt Atheist Demands Evidence For God! Muhammed Ali

Hello, how are you? Can you hear me? >> I can. How are you? >> Doing well. Can you hear me? I'm tired, but doing well. Yes, yes, I can hear you. So, are you driving? Truck driver? >> Yes, I Well, I'm parked now, but Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> I was listening a little while I was driving. >> Sure, sure. Usually, the connection seems like >> friend Muhammad said to >> Yeah, because if you're driving, sometimes the internet is going up and down, so hopefully it's okay. But yeah, you're saying your friend said what? >> Uh to to call in. >> Okay, sure. >> To to talk to you, to ask to ask questions. >> Sure. >> Uh I was Uh why why should someone believe? I'm a non-believer. Why should I believe? >> Uh we're we're not asking anyone to believe. Yeah, we're not asking anybody to believe. We are >> Well, you're asking for You're asking for non-believers to call in. Why were you asking non-believers to call in? >> Yeah, so I What I say is if there is any non-Muslims that would like to talk, they're welcome to click on the link pinned in the comment section. So, you see the phrase is very, you know, I think it's very clear. So, if any non-Muslims have questions about Islam, so there's a difference between me being accessible, cuz that's my obligation as a Muslim, and me being a salesman. I always tell the people it's very important for you people to understand that. There's a difference be- between being accessible to the people, because if someone has a question, right? As you see those people who come on. Say, "Oh, I have a question. I'll I'll try and talk to you." So, they're looking for someone to answer their questions. They're seekers. So, we need to be outlets for people. Now, you have example salesmen, like, you know, some religions with a microphone shout shouting and screaming in the middle of the streets, right? We don't do that. Islam teaches us it's only upon the messenger to deliver the message. That's it. So, when you we we're it's not upon us to convince anyone. So someone says, "Why should I believe?" We would say first the idea is not a question of belief. It's a question of truth. So is is there I don't know if >> I like that. >> or not or or are you Muslim or not Muslim? >> No. >> Uh sorry, are you religious or you don't believe in God? Yeah, you're an atheist. >> I'm an atheist. >> Sure, sure. So so it's a question of truth. So there's So there's absolute >> I'm seeking truth. >> Yeah, so the absolute truth is either either there is a creator or there is no creator. There's no third option. It's impossible for you to have a third option. There's only two options. There is a God or there is no God. So now, the question is this. This is a question that we'd ask someone who says, "Oh oh, I don't believe in a God." Okay, you don't believe in a God. So if you don't believe in a God, the question would be do you believe something can come from absolute nothingness? Can something come from nothing? >> The maybe. I don't know. >> No, it's not maybe. It's definitely no. So if you have 0 + 0 + 0, what do you get? >> W- Well, you you get zero, but I I think they have proved something can come from nothing. >> Okay, can you give me >> that's that's Well, I can't give you an example. I'm >> But is it the proof? >> I I'm not that smart. >> [laughter] >> I didn't I didn't I didn't discover it. I'm not smart enough to discover it. >> No no, I'm sorry. Look, it's like me coming and saying to you with all due respect, Ron. It's like you're talking to me. Wait wait, it's like me coming and saying >> you're taking it a step further than that. You You You're >> no, wait wait wait. Ron Ron, we don't want to jump the gun off. I want you just Let's take this step by step. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, yeah, sure. >> Step by step, right? Okay. Before we jump, because I know you're trying to jump into the end. No, we we we're trying to take things a step by step. First, you can't say you can't say a group of people proved something. I don't know who they are. I don't know what their evidence is is. I'm not smart enough. It's like me saying, "Islam's already been proven true." This is our conversation now. You come on, "Why should I believe? Islam has been proven true. Why? Oh, I'm not intelligent enough to answer you, but some people out there have proven Islam to be true. You're like, sorry. You're like, sorry. >> I'm not the one with the I I don't have a show stating something comes from nothing. >> No, but you are claiming you are claiming that someone says something came from nothing. You're You are making an active claim. So, you just like >> I'm saying maybe it's possible. I'm I'm not ruling it out. >> No, no, I'm asking you to give me an example if it's possible. Give me an example of something that comes from absolute nothing cuz you said that there is people who proved it. Proved what and who? Who are the people and what did they prove? >> Well, I I I I didn't come with that information, but it it's >> Okay, so what did you mean then? >> It's possible. No, it's possible. >> Okay, so you Do you retract that statement some people have proven? >> Sure. Just just to move on. >> No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I'm We don't This is why I said to you I'm not here >> Maybe it Maybe it can't. I don't I don't know. >> Bro, no, no, no. Please. I'll let you speak. Try to let me speak as well because we want to We don't want to move on. But look, this is why I said to you wrong from the beginning. I'm not here to convince you because if this is the type of argumentation you're coming with, then how can I convince you? If someone comes to me is like, you know what? There's a group of people who who I'm going to be like, I'm sorry, but I mean I value my time. With all due respect, if you're an atheist, you have nothing to present >> I don't think I've been arguing anything. >> No, no, I'm not saying you're argumentative. I'm saying you're not bringing a rational argument. So, it >> I'm not bringing any argument. I'm just asking >> Exactly. >> for your best evidence why I should believe. >> No, I'm sorry. Would you go to a baby in the kindergarten and speak to them for 1 hour or 2 hours? Would you do that? Would you have a discussion with them? >> Sure. >> No, you you will say you Okay. Okay, that's exactly what I'm fighting then. >> I'll tell you I'll speak of myself. Why I wouldn't do it is because I know the baby have no rational faculties. He wouldn't be able to engage in a conversation with me. I wouldn't be learning anything. I'll be wasting my I'll be wasting my time. >> But the baby could be learning something. You don't think a baby can learn from you? >> A suckling baby cannot Yeah, he's not going to be comprehending anything. If you're going to go to the kindergarten for little babies, kids, infants, they're not going to understand anything. You're going to be like dada dodo dodo. That's That's great in conversation. So, I'm not going to have a conversation with these infants because they don't have the rational capacity to do so. If you're unable to This is the thing. If I ask you a question and you're unable to answer the question and then you you proceed to make a claim and then you not support your claims, then that you cannot have This is not a rational conversation. A rational conversation goes the as following. >> You're the one making the claim. You're the one making of the claim. >> The What claim am I making? >> There's There's a God in >> Did I Did I say there's a God in my conversation with you? >> Not with my conversation. >> In my entire stream, from beginning to end, I've been alive now for 2 hours 20 minutes. Have I ever said this statement, "There is a God" in my conversation? >> I I think it was implied. >> Okay, so So, all you have is an implication. So, you agree with me I haven't said that. >> Are you denying it? Are you denying it? >> Yes, I'm denying the fact that I said there is a God like this and this way in our discussion. I didn't say that. So, what I'll tell you now, when you have a conversation, you start now by building premises on foundations. I'm going to stick to my arguments. You came to me, asked me the question, "Why should I believe?" I responded to you. I said I don't need to convince you. This is where I start. You see, you know, I I can open book Ron with all due respect because this is I knew you're going to come with this. I said to you at the beginning I said, "Look, Ron, I don't need to convince you, Ron. If you want to have a rational conversation, this is a difference between a truth seeker >> I think this is pretty rational. >> Yeah, it's a difference between a truth seeker and someone who's coming there who doesn't have anything. Okay, you think it's rational to come into a conversation, get asked a question, but not answer it, and then make claims without supporting them. How how is that a rational conversation exactly? >> You're twisting it around. >> I'm not twisting anything. I asked you the question. I asked you the question. I asked you the question. Who says >> This is a calling show. To ask questions. I >> Bro, run, run, run. You say that I'm twisting things. So, I'm going to highlight how I'm not twisting things. I asked you a question. The question I asked you was, you made a claim first. First, let's start with the idea. You made a claim like I said, which is that there are people who said that something can come out of nothing. So, you made a claim as it's substantiated. You refuse Wait, you refuse to substantiate >> say it was true. I I think they have proved something can come from nothing. >> You didn't say it was true, but you made a claim still. You said there are people You said it's possible because there are people who proved You These are your words. Now, you're saying you didn't say it was true. You see the hypocrisy around. You literally said there are people who proved there is something that can come out of nothing. What does proved mean? Okay, like Okay, now you change your wording. That's okay. You said there are people who proved Can you let me finish? >> This is what you want to talk about? Okay, go ahead. >> talk about what you said. I want to talk about what you said, yes. [laughter] But you said this There is people There is people who proved Prove Proved imply proof. There is people who proved that there is something that can come out of nothing. So, you made a claim with that. I asked you to substantiate it. You refused to substantiate. Please, let me finish. >> I didn't refuse. I just don't know who it was. I'm not I'm not >> Okay, can I finish? >> I'm not going to I'm I'm I'm not going to >> Can I Can I finish without being interrupted? And I will let you speak without interrupting you. Okay, please. Don't interrupt me, and I'll not interrupt you. It's a conversation. So, you made a claim. You did not substantiate it. So, I made a I said two things about you. One, you come and you make claim without substantiating them and I give an example here. You made a claim you didn't substantiate it. Number two, I said I asked you questions which you don't answer. I asked you the question, who are these people? What did they say? Because if you say I heard people say something, then you at least have a name, you at least have a a video, you at least have an art you have something. I mean, you read something somewhere. So, you at least know what they said, who are they were, what they Okay. So, if you don't have you don't have you can't answer questions and you don't have substantiation for the arguments that you make. Why do I need to How can I have a rational discussion with you? Okay. Let's have a Okay, let me let me make it easy for you. There is a God drone. There is a God drone and there is undoubtedly evidences for the existence of God. >> Okay. Why do you believe that? >> There's people who said it. There's people who proved it. >> Okay. So, why should I believe that? >> I didn't ask you to believe it. That's what I started conversation with. You asked me about me, all right? I I responded to you. You asked me I said to you, there's people who prove prove there's a God. >> Okay. Uh >> Huh? >> I'm not sure what this does for for Muslims. >> You see how you're unable to have a conversation with me when I apply your same same ideology to you. Come on, like this is literally what you did. And now you're you Now you're speechless. I didn't >> I didn't call in to talk about something from nothing. >> Uh well, you if you call, then you have a conversation. You're not you don't dictate terms. I have I told you what do you want to talk about actually. I let you speak. Then you said to me, what do you want to convince me? You have a conversation. I said to you, okay. We're going to have a conversation. Then no worries, let's have a conversation. I'm not here to convince you. You said you want to convince I said, no, I'm not here to convince you. But then you you I then I asked you a question about you said about existence of God. We started to talk about the existence of God. So, I asked you a very rational question. If I stop 100 people in the street and I ask them, can something come from nothing? If not a hundred, 99% of them will say no. So, if someone cannot apply common sense, then of course I cannot have a rational conversation with them. Common sense is that rationality is common between people. And if you don't believe me, go right now. When you stop, if you're going to stop to, you know, uh go to the toilet or buy some drink or whatever, ask the guy in the shop, can something come from absolute nothing? Go, do it. Try it, you know? I'll come back. The guy will be like, no. Can I have this? That's literally what magic is. Like, you know, you open your hat and you start having random things coming out of it, gold and silver. You know, I'll just stay at home and I'll have gold and silver coming. And that's not even nothing because you already have a universe. I'm saying if there is nothing at all, no universe, no planets, no stars, so there is no nothing that exists and there's no agency and whatever, how can we have something that comes into existence if it's absolute nothing? And I give you a >> All right. All right. I'll I'll grant it to you. Just just to move on. >> you to No. No. No. No. I'm I'm good. Thank you for for being so uh generous and gracious with me, but it's not about that. It's about actually understanding, comprehending, and having rational discourse. It's not about for the sake of argument you're going to say, okay, you know what? I'm I'm going to grant you that. >> Yeah, I'll I'll grant it to you. Something can't come from nothing. >> Okay, then where did the universe come from? >> to move on. >> So, the universe has to come from something then. >> Sure. >> Okay, so that thing that brought the universe into existence, it must have attributes that is way beyond what we can imagine. If you want to create a full universe of atoms that is full of energy, if you split you have nuclear explosions, full of zillions of galaxies and stars and intricate systems and electromagnetic waves, whatever. You have knowledge you cannot even comprehend. That's what people refer to as God. The most powerful, the all-knowing. These are attributes that they give to the creator. You must possess >> Wait. Wait. Wait. What did you just say? What were those attributes again? >> Having power when we say most powerful or the most knowing or whatever these attributes that we give are the what we mean is they have knowledge you can even comprehend. Have power we cannot even comprehend. So these attributes are the ones that we attribute to the creator. You cannot create a universe without these attributes. You got to be independent of the universe. You got to be the creator of time and space literally as we know it. Time space continuum is there so you would know the future. Not bound by space the way we are. You're powerful knowing you can't comprehend. You know what I'm saying? >> a creator. >> Yeah, a creator means to bring the universe to existence. I'm just saying something can come from nothing. Something the universe comes from something. So we're saying if the universe comes from something then by default that's the creator of the universe. That's what creator means. You bring something into existence. >> May maybe something else brought it into existence. It >> Yeah, whatever that thing that brought it into existence whatever the thing >> You're just you're putting that in there. Now now the burden proof is on you for the creator. >> Whatever the thing whatever the thing that brought the universe into existence is the creator. >> Maybe it was always here. >> Oh it it was not always here because you >> How do you know? How do you know this? I'm answering >> you know this? Okay. >> Let me speak. I'm answering you. Okay. So we know this because we can have observe something called the expansion of the universe. You can observe things like the red shifting. Can observe the universe going back to space being a very small singularity that the consensus of science today talk about they refer to as the Big Bang. We can observe the radiations left from the expansion of the Big Bang. All of these are evidences for the the start of the beginning of the universe which is why it's a consensus today in the cosmologist field. So yeah, that's why we can say. You see I can give you answers. I'm not just going to make a claim but I can give you answers. Yeah. So the universe has a starting point. Whatever brought the universe into existence is what we call God. The creator. >> Okay. >> There is a creator. There we go. >> So maybe on a bad day >> So do you agree there is a creator? Uh-huh. >> I wouldn't call it a creator. I I wouldn't call it a creator, but I could say >> Okay, did you just agree with me that the universe has to come from something? That means that something would bring it to existence, right? >> No, it might have been always here. >> So the universe has to come from something then. >> Sure. >> Okay, so so did I just give you reasons why the universe started? You asked me how do you know? And did I give you reasons from specialized people in the field who are mostly atheists actually. Most of them like yourselves. They don't need to believe in a God. But they will still tell you the truth is the evidence leads us to the fact that the universe has a starting point. >> Uh All it says is there was a big bang. The the the thing that banged was always there. >> What's the Big Bang? >> So they're they're not saying that there was a beginning. >> Yeah, what's the Big Bang? >> Or what or what it came from. >> What's the Big Bang? >> The the expansion. The the sudden expansion of of matter. >> that's Yeah, okay. So there was matter and space compressed into a singularity. Singularity is a very small thing. Okay. Where does the energy matter come from? And how does it exist? >> In science there's something called I'm answering you. In science there's something called cause and effect. So that's an effect so it requires a cause. So it's upon you now if you You're saying you don't know. You don't not knowing doesn't mean there's no answer. You know, if you're if your cake is missing from your fridge it doesn't mean you don't know that somebody ate it. Somebody ate it. >> Yeah, okay. So I'm giving you the answer now. I'm telling you the only thing that would have power to compress an entire universe into a singularity and expand it in the way the universe expanded is what we refer to as a creator. >> Okay. >> So, there is a creator. >> Like I was saying on on a bad day you might be able to get me to believe that. But you're you're taking it a step further. You're saying you know the mind of this creator and I would say that needs a whole lot of evidence. To say that's not a modest claim. To say that you know the mind of a creator. You've been giving these people advice throughout the show. Yeah. You've been giving these people advice. This young lady >> Can you tell me where I where I said I know the mind of the creator? When did I say that? >> You didn't use those words specifically, but you're telling people what they should do about marriage and kids and and this and that. >> Okay. So, can you retract the second false claim you made in this discussion? Attributing something to me I haven't said because we don't even attribute the word mind to the creator. We I don't I wouldn't say that >> Are you are you Are you saying you don't Are you saying you don't know what what God wants? The creator wants? >> No, I know what the creator told me. That's what I know. I know the creator revealed. But nobody knows everything about >> That's a that's a pretty big claim, wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you say that's a pretty big claim to make? >> Yeah, yeah. It's it's a big claim and if you'd like to know >> It's a big claim and and a big claim would require big evidence, would it not? >> No, no. No, no. Before we go to the big claim >> a big claim does not require big evidence? >> Before we go to the big claim >> Before we go to the big claim, you've already discarded everything >> Before we go to the big the you're claiming is the big claim, you've already discarded everything I said to you and I said on a bad day you might >> it was a big claim. >> So, since you said on a after I have given you >> [laughter] >> responded to you after I actually given you evidence I responded to you, you said on a bad day you may be able to convince me. You're clearly showing me I'm wasting my time because I'm not having a conversation >> that there was a creator. >> with evil freezer. Because if you were able to reason, you'd be like, "Okay, yeah, that makes sense actually. You made an argument." Or you bring a response at least. You'd be like, "Okay, that makes sense. So, there is a creator. I I agree." And then we can move on to the big claim. But if you are someone who can't even comprehend like a common sense and accept basic rationality, then I'm not going to go on and like spend my time giving you the the answers to the big claim. By the By the way, there there is a Okay, what's irrational in what I said? >> Uh a creator. >> Uh okay, cool. So, on my channel there's a video titled Compelling Evidences for the Truthfulness of Islam. It's nearly an hour-long video. You're welcome to go, sit down, have your headphones you're driving, listen to it carefully, and you'll know your answer for the for the big claim. But I don't see the the the level of sincerity that requires me to sit down here and explain it bit by bit with you. And it's already late for me, so I'm going to end the stream here. So, I'm going to leave leave us where we are. We've already established existence of God for anybody who's rational. And you say, "It's not rational, the creator." And that was a great counter argument that you presented. I know that people can see that. So, we'll let people judge this conversation. All right, Ron. Have a nice rest of your day. And like I said, I read you like an open book from the beginning. I I know I look Don't even let me speak. The minute you come and you're like "Convince me. What do you have to prove?" I don't need to convince you, man. Like you're living your life. I'm living Look, I'm living a happy life. Many people are There's many people who are >> You don't You don't You don't have to convince anybody. But But you have a show. >> Islam is the biggest growing religion in the world. And here, so you should watch this video if you're interested. And we're here open for people who are interested or willing to have a discussion. Most importantly, willing to actually listen, you know, like we don't talk over each other. I mean, I let you speak. I don't know I'm even trying to say a sentence. You're not letting me finish it, man. Like I've been very gracious with you. Yes, it's my show. I could have removed you from the start. But I did continue the conversation with you. Just to highlight to the people the type of atheists that are there in the world. People who make claims with no proofs. Can't even answer basic common sense questions. You give them rational arguments. They're like I like if I when I get a little bit of a bad day, you may be able to convince me, you know? But today is a nice sunny day. So you're not going to be able to convince me. These are the type of atheists out there, guys. So there's nothing for you guys to be, you know, fooled by. You know, there's no rationality. There's no real arguments. There's nothing really. So I thank you for presenting the atheist case to bring people closer to Islam. More and more.