Atheist Shocked By Muslim After Questioning The Prophet's Marriage! Muhammed Ali

So I was I was having this debate with a friend of mine and I wasn't too sure who was you know something that that sort of comes up from time to time that I see online. >> Sure. Sure. Can I ask anything you want? >> The eyes. >> Yes. Sure. >> Story. >> Yeah. Okay. Sure. No worries. I I'll answer that. That's a very very very common thing. Do you know what what the argument is? Do you know what the story is? You can say it. No worries. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. That she was she was very young. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. No. She was not prepubescent and that would be a lie. But she was young. Yes. So in Islam or let's just say let's use common sense let me are you from here from this country? >> Yes. Okay. Do you know the age of marriage 200 years ago in the UK? >> Guess give a number. >> Huh? >> 30. >> No. >> Lower. >> Lower. >> No. >> I'll give you a reference. Lower. >> 200 years ago. >> 200 years ago. I'm not We're not talking 1,400 years ago. >> N 7 years ago. You know who says that? William Sarah William Blackstone. By the way, he was a jurist who lived in that time. And I'll tell you something surprising, isn't it? You know what's funny is like his sir William Blackstone is being taught in Oxford and Cambridge in law in law um universities, right? Because Sir William Blackstone has a book called Commentaries on the British Law of England. So he comments on the British law at the time and then he says in his book commentaries on the British law of England page 110 he says a woman can be given in marriage at the age of seven entitled to dowry. You know dow is where you give a marital gift at the age of nine. >> So you can consummate it at 9. >> Not even marriage is at seven but the dowy is the the gift you can give it at 9. No problem. You don't need to give it at 7. You can give it at 9. But but that was not only the the UK America it was 10 years old in the same 200 years ago it was it was 10 years old in Delaware it was seven so that's that's not something new that was human history >> and that only changed recently >> was that also the age of consent as well >> yeah but that time this is the thing today's life of living a life of today's life living a life of >> amendment >> yeah sure today's life of living a life of disobedience to god and hil hedonistic life of having intercourse was not the case remember these your country and other countries Christian countries where uh intercourse before marriage was wrong according to the bible and Judaism intercourse before marriage is wrong right so since intercourse before marriage is wrong people had only marriage so when you say age of consent that's a new modern concept that comes from liberalism before liberalism people actually believed in marriage they believed okay if you want to be with a woman Yeah, if you want to be with a woman, you actually get married to that woman, right? So there's no such thing as the age of consent in the past. It's just the age of marriage. And by the way, that's a very funny thing because today they say the age of consent can be 14, 15, 16, but the age of marriage is only 18. So I can have intercourse with a girl, have a baby with her, but I can't marry her. Why? Like where's the common sense there? Where's the logic there? Right? So if you look at history, like I said to you, age of marriage was very, very low. When did it start to increase? after the industrial revolution, right? After the industrial revolution, they wanted to introduce two people into the workforce. They had this system of schools and Okay, let's put this number 18. Okay, let me ask you another question. What age is the right age? When what age does a person become an adult? >> In your own estimation. >> Well, when they what's the right age for what? Sorry. >> What's the right age where someone becomes okay ready for marriage or adult or whatever? What's the what's the right >> I think I think when we we classify them as an adult. Yeah. But but that's a circular argument. Basically, you're saying an adult is who you say is an adult. What's an adult? >> So So I guess >> in terms of marriage, obviously to understand what sort of undertaking is involved when you marry someone and things with that. I think you've got to be in a place where >> So you think society decides or decides? >> I think I think we we we have to sort of you know, I think your interpretation of an adult might be different to mine. It might be different to somebody else's. I think essentially we we we we have a um uh an age for say like alcohol and for various things and and I think you know if you if you said you know an age of consent around sort of 16 >> okay so >> that that that sort of makes sense >> so that's what that's what I'm what I'm talking about right now right what's the age right some countries will say okay age of consent is 16 some others will say it's 18 some countries will say 14 uh Philippines I believe not too long ago or Japan had it 12 right they changed it recently as well countries keep changing right question is what's the age someone says the age is 16 you say okay so if you are 15 year years old 364 days 23 hours and uh 1 minute less from the next day you're not an adult but a minute later you magically become an adult how does that make any common sense right so in Islam that's that's not how we view adulthood right if you Go to human history. Now, why am I taking you to history? Cuz a lot of people today look at a 9year-old of today or 7-year-old of today, 6 year old of today and they impose that six-year-old in the past. Things were very different. Why? There was no uh elementary school, kindergarten, high school. No, the kid will be born, the daughter will be there, her next step in life is to get married. This is how women were functioning functioning in society. Guy goes to work, you know, traditional kind of household. Guy goes to work. the woman she helps in the in the household when she becomes adult enough then she gets married and she has children that's not how societies were functioning right today it's a complete different story and things are designed in a complete different way so we cannot look at a 9-year-old of today who doesn't deal with adults because we keep them with children like themselves right you don't deal with adults they don't mature quickly at that time even when you were younger you would already be dealing with adults you' be going to trade with your mother and father so their maturity psychologically was different now in Every dictionary in human history, if you go back like 50 or 60 years ago, what is a child? A child is someone who's under the age of puberty. Child who someone who's under the age of puberty. It's common sense. That's what a child is, right? Once you reach puberty, then you're no longer a child. Then marriage is based on the parents. Uh they look at you and they say, "Okay, is you ready for marriage? Is not ready for marriage?" That's what your mother and father would decide looking at you. Okay. Now, now coming back, bringing everything full circle. Why did I take you to the Britain and all of that to tell you that history is very different than what you see in your eyes today and you cannot implement today's standard in the past right so she uh there was a marriage contract between her and the pro with the prophet Muhammad but that marriage contract there is no consummation there is no intercourse in fact she was with still with her father Abu Bak and her father cares about her more than any of us would right that's what some people don't understand like that was a marriage between two families right um then when she hit the age of puberty Then the marriage was consummated between between her and prophet Muhammad. Does that make sense? So prophet waited 3 years. He did a contract but she was with her father. No touching nothing is happening until she reached the age of of puberty. Then consummation the marriage was consummated between her and prophet Muhammad. But they will just talk to you about the age. Oh she was 9 years old or she was this age right? Okay. Yes she was 9 years old. But I was just telling you right now the legal age of marriage was 7 years old in this country. So why don't you you basically are going to be criticizing the whole human history just to criticize Prophet Muhammad. Now you look at kings here uh Richard the the second or whatever he married a six-year-old. You look at here kings can name so many names for you. >> Yeah. Societies were different. But but but do you think that that that just solely that that thing in a sort of like its own sense is is without comparing is is necessarily a good thing or something that's okay. Let me let me answer you. In Islam, for you to marry uh make a marriage contract or marry with a girl who is very young is an exception. You know, exception. It's not general rule. The general rule, you would go and find a girl that is in a good age, is mature and and all of that, right? The exception to the rule is scholars they say, for example, let's say I'll give you a few examples. A father has a daughter, right? He's very poor, cannot take care of his daughter financially. She's still young. So he would go and find someone a righteous guy and then he would make a marriage contract between him and the daughter not necessarily any intercourse has taken place so he can take care of her financially because the father cannot take care of that financial bear there. Another example scholars will give you find a very righteous person a very good person you know they say this is the best person you're probably going to find for your daughter. You want to secure that man. So you make sure to do a marriage contract between him and the daughter until the daughter is ready for marriage and then he can marry her just in case he doesn't go and marry someone else. Does that make sense? So with with the case of Abu Bakr was the close companion of prophet Muhammad he wanted to even get closer as companions because he was his right hand. He's the first caliphate of Islam after the prophet Muhammad wasallam. So he is the one who introduced in that way to get married to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Right? Prophet Muhammad in the beginning he married his first wife. It's called Khadijah. She was 15 years older than him. He was 25 and she was 40. He stayed with her until she passed away. And after she passed away, then Prophet Muhammad came to him, one of the women companions, and then she said, "Let's try and find him a wife. Then he married Saud who is a wed old woman in their 50s." Prophet is not looking for, you know, like young Persian girls or none of that, right? But the case of Abu Bakr is to bring him closer to his companion Abu Bakr, right? And because Prophet Muhammad is the best best man in mankind is the prophet of God. Imagine you can guarantee that a prophet of God is going to marry your daughter. Wouldn't you take every chance to secure that marriage? I would. So they made the marriage contract which I told you right then the prophet waited until consummation and then consummation took place. But that's an exception. Muslims now if you look look at any stats in everywhere in the world what age do Muslims marry they marry within their age usually like like it is in the in the rest of the world right so the except exceptional situation but the question is if I want to criticize it we'll come back to the question I asked you who determines the age of marriage in Islam we don't have an age we have a criteria criteria is physical ability and maturity and mental ability and maturity and in the case if the girl is younger in age then the father only the father not the uncle not the brother no one else only the father can give the agreement in this marriage contract and it has to be for the benefit of the girl if it's not for the benefit of the girl then that father will be punished >> so the these are very exceptional cases and situations if that makes sense >> so so so say if a girl um reaches puberty at say 11 >> sure by the way do you know according to the NHS when do do girl reach puberty Or when do they minstrate? When do they puberty? From what age? What age? From 8 to 14. >> Okay. So, so >> today, right? Not 1,400 years ago. Today. >> So, say say if you have a uh child >> child. You see? >> Yeah. Child. >> So, I'll say, okay, if you if that person reached puberty, then why are you calling them a child? >> Because a 9year-old is a child. >> But again, which definition is that? Who defines a child by age? Is it by age? How do you define a child? Okay, I'll ask you. What is a child? >> So, say if you have a 9year-old. Okay. So, so a child that that you say a child again that's that's reached sort of uh puberty and and isn't ventrating >> then it's not a child anymore >> but isn't but isn't necessarily um I mean nine I mean they're not going to be mentally mature. >> Remember what I told you about comparing today people going to kindergarten going to school. >> Yeah. >> If we look at that based on just those >> Sure. Sure. >> Today, is that okay? >> No. If if the child if it's not going to be a child anymore, >> it's going to be an adult physically. >> So, we say a 9year-old adult then. >> Yeah. So, we're done now. We're done now. We're done now with the with the uh child part. Okay. So, they're physically not a child anymore. But you're talking about the mental maturity. But now you're talking about the mental maturity. Your question is about the mental maturity. >> So, so, so yes, it's two parts. So, so say 9year-old um that's men >> girl. Yeah. a 9 year old girl that means that already been through ministration. Yes. >> Yeah. So, so but but obviously isn't mentally ready at night, >> you know. >> Sure. >> Is is is that okay? >> Now, the question Okay, that's a fantastic question. We'll come back to I was telling you who is going to marry the girl with the man in Islam, the girl requires the farthest permission. The girl doesn't just go to any random man and says, "Okay, I like I love this boy, for example. I want I want to get married to him or I love this man I want to get married to her. It doesn't work like that in Islam. In Islam there's a wii a guardian for the girl and only with his approval marriage happens. Now the question is the father does the father know if his daughter is mentally ready to get married or not. Does anyone else know better and care better about his own daughter than the father? Obviously not. So we say in this case the father is going to look at the girl and if the girl is definitely in this day and age 100% probably like I would say 99%. It's really impossibility that she would be mentally ready then he would wait. He would wait if there is any harm on her meaning if she if he will marry her at the age of nine and she's not ready yet psychologically and that will cause her harm then this is unacceptable Islamically. >> So it's about a harm idea right she has to be physically and mentally ready. So, as long as the dad says it it's okay, then it's then it's okay. >> No, not not as long as the dad says it. I told you the dad has to approve and it has to be for the benefit of the girl. If it's not done for the benefit of the girl, the dad will be punished in an Islamic state. You cannot just go around and do whatever you want to your daughters. She's not like sheep or something, right? So, you have to do it for the benefit of the girl. So, that marriage is a very exceptional case like I told you. So, the dad now has to present a case. Why does he want to get his daughter married so early? What's the reason in the case of I give you an example like that was the prophet of God, right? And you want to make sure that your daughter marries the prophet of God. You don't want to lose that. Now that's a exceptional case. Now in an everyday day to daytoday situation you go to the father and say why are you trying to marry your girl so young? What's what's the reason behind it? What's the benefit in doing that? Is that good for the girl? No. If she's still nine, she's not she cannot even comprehend the world and you're going to give her to some stranger man. No. then you're not doing it for his benefit for her benefit then it's not allowed also the girl's acceptance is a part of it as well so it's not only that she has a guardian but the girl has to approve prophet Muhammad said no virgin is given in marriage without her approval she cannot just like be forced to okay the father thinks marry this man she marries that man no it also has to be the girl agrees like the person and everything and then if he's going to do it young there has to be a clear benefit that the father presents and then the marriage can take place. That's what I'm telling you today. This doesn't happen. This doesn't happen in Muslim society, Muslim community. It doesn't happen. Also, the culture back then was very different. I told you that Aisha of Prophet Muhammad before Prophet Muhammad, she was already engaged to one of the the people in the community, right? So, this was not like the prophet doing something out of like, you know, unord. That's why I give you the example of 7 years old, 200 years ago. It was just common sense at the time because girls, like I told you, don't go to kindergarten. You just reach puberty. You're ready to have kids. You're ready to get married. That's how societies looked at women and females at that time. Does that make sense? So, it's a complete different society. So, yeah, Islam, look, we hear this is the most common criticism that people throw out against against Muslims and Islam, right? But we say that's not even a part of the articles of faith of Islam. Someone were say okay I believe I'm a Muslim I'm going to be a Muslim but I believe married at the age of 40 not nine for example right does that take them out of Islam no it's not one of our articles of faith like people criticize things which are not the core of the faith because they're trying to clutch to throw but let me tell you something let me add you now a little bit more okay we've already said now secularly if you want to look at history people already got married at the age of seven in in the UK you people will have to insult every single person in the in human history, including the UK, if they want to insult the Prophet Muhammad. It's as simple as that. Really, you're going to have to deny throw all human history in the in the bed. See, look, I'm going to pretend the people did not get married at the age of seven like I told you or the age of 10 or the >> I I don't think you have to throw it all away or or or sort of like I think I think >> But that was everyone. >> Yeah, but but then you can still have that opinion from from the perspective now that that's not okay just because everyone did it. >> Okay, thank you. Perfect. We've reached the the the point that I wanted to reach. You said you can have the opinion. Today that's not okay. That time these were Christian societies, right? Ruled by Judeo Christian laws. What are you using to determine what is right and wrong? >> You today based based on my opinion isn't it's based on what I my values. >> Okay. Okay. So if it's a personal subjective opinion then why should they take your opinion over my opinion or his opinion or her opinion? >> Because I don't think we should be shagging kids. >> No. But now again like nobody's doing that. No, no, no. But but you see, you see, you're doing an emotional game there, right? Words word usage is very important, right? If you misuse words, then you people misunderstand what's happening. What I'm saying is >> we are against that more than you. >> No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying is obviously >> people getting married at seven, Muslim, Christian 200 years ago or not. That that for me doesn't sit right. >> Okay. But but where are you determining that is to be right or wrong? Where do you get your morality from is my question. Because so I have a stepdaughter that's that's that's 10 years old. >> Sure. If if I took you in a time machine, let let me try to help you. >> If if you were if you were around in Roman time, Greek time, you'd probably be very different. >> It was the same age ages of marriage. By the way, >> also things that are okay. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Change. >> So I'm ask I'm going to ask you this question. If I put you in a time machine now and I take you 200 years ago and you had like a a niece or you had a family member, whatever, do you think you'll have the same view that you have right now? Or you'll be like, "Okay, okay. It's a part of society. Everyone is doing it. You don't even think about it. >> It's it's it's be such a figure of speech because that's not how it is, you know. >> No, no, but but you're not but you there's a hypothetical that you can understand hypothetical. >> Yeah, it is. It is. But you can understand it. You you get my argument then. My argument is you're saying morality is relative, which means >> it's based on when you're born. So if 200 years ago sorry if if 10 years in the future the law changes that the age of consent is 14 then it becomes okay now because society thinks it's okay but but but if if that happened in 10 years from now >> yeah it doesn't >> well let's say 100 years let's say 20 years it doesn't really matter. >> Yes. So say in 10 20 years then it's becomes the norm that people >> and then and then they they give you research they tell you for example the girls are are stronger the girls are stronger and it's a fact by the way if they give birth in the earlier years after puberty right they're stronger their bodies are stronger they can be stronger in health and given birth you can ask the specialist right they start giving you research and you start giving you reasoning and you say okay and we have this system to protect any problems that may happen you'll start saying Okay, it's all right. No worries. >> Not holding a >> That's That's why it's hypothetical, right? >> It's hypothetical is hypothetical. >> Hypothetical is there. Hypothetical is there to explore the reasoning. Hypothetical is where you're going with that, >> right? Yeah. So, I'm I'm not giving you hypothetical to say this will happen or not. I'm giving you hypothetical to tell you to explore the reasoning where you're coming from. So, in in our tradition, we say morality comes from God. God is the one who would determine what is the right age, good age, bad age or not. And God would not give us something against our nature. That's why I told you in Islam, Allah doesn't say go marry younger kids or go married. There's no such thing. But there are exceptions. Like I said, I'll give you let me let me ask you a question. I I want your your your opinion. Let's say you you said the age of considered age of marriage is 16, 18, 19, whatever, right? The girl hits puberty at the age of nine. Okay. Do you know what hitting puberty entails? It entails being sexually active. Do you know you're more sexually active at obviously teenage girls, teenage years, then you are what do you mean sexual? >> It means you have sexual desires. You think about sexuality. You think about sexual desires. You have sexual thoughts. You have the feeling of wanting to do something sexual. That's what sexual urges. That's that's what I'm talking about. Right? So, and that is that is more in teen in teenagers than it would be than when you get older. So, now can you tell me what's your solution? You know, we see what happens in the UK. You talk about shagging. You have girls and boys shagging at 13 14 and being pregnant and >> Okay, sure. So, what's your solution for those k those teenagers? >> I I I >> You tell me your solution. >> I don't think I need to come up with a with a with a solution. >> So, it's okay that they because I I I >> So, what should they do? What should they do? >> It's is it's like asking me how I would do this, how I would do this. >> No, no, you said you have a family member. A family member, let's say, okay, let's say she's in a teenage girls and she has some desires. Then what how she comes to you for example, I feel this way. I want to do that. What what you what are you going to tell her to do? >> I would I would I would maybe sort of ask her to wait. You know, if she came with I would maybe >> you realize that's not a solution, right? And you realize that's why you have those kids shagging because their parents tell them to wait, but they don't want to wait. >> But that's the thing. It's like I'm I'm I'm obviously going to speak from from what I believe and and then I would say I would say I I would say I would say wait. I'd say >> yeah. So So she's she's 10 or 12 and you say, "Okay, just wait 7 8 years." >> I would a conversation go a bit differently. >> I don't know. But okay, so how would it go? But the the gist of the conversation is that you're going to tell her to wait 78 years. >> No, I I think it'd be a case of like, you know, look, you know, you you would use the word child. I would use the word, you know, you're still growing up. You know what I mean? I was >> okay. She will tell you, I feel this way. And she has these emotions, right? And even if you tell her that when she goes to school, >> Mark in the school and Matthew, you know, >> I think we both know that that that, you know, regardless they're going to do what they're going to do. No, but but but now this is the point I wanted to reach. Let me shake your hand on that. That's the point I wanted to reach. If they going to do what they going to do, then why not do it in a uh under the eyes of the family and the governing of the family and respect in a in the eyes of God and something called marriage or you can monitor the the their behavior. You can make sure that what they're doing is good, right? That it's not just a kid who is playing with the girl, whether it's your daughter, your niece, or whatever, just using her as a body. You know that very well. You know how it is in the society, right? you just use her and go to the next one. No, but marriage is a is a institution. You have two families involved now play these games, right? Your family's involved, their family's involved. You have responsibilities of taking care of her financially. If they're going to do it either way, then why not do it in the good way? >> Because I I I I just think something like that would be too huge of a taken to >> do you know what marriage is? >> It just depends how you look at marriage. You're looking at Hollywood marriage. So I guess >> marriage marriage in Islamic way is a very simple thing. It's like allowing them to have intercourse in the eyes of God. >> And I guess you know in terms of like you know um sort of like how I view marriage very different. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I guess how >> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely 100%. >> So the way I I sort of see marriage in the >> I don't understand marriage in the west. I'm going to be honest because people live with each other having intercourse with each other do everything and they're like okay let's get married. What's the point? Like you're already doing everything, right? >> So, so, so, so yeah, but but I I I think I think marriage is a is a massive undertaking personally. >> Sure. That's why I'm telling you look at Islamic perspective what marriage is. Marriage is a contract which allows you to have intercourse in a permissible way and gives you certain responsibilities towards the girl. >> So, the reason towards the man >> is because I I I just think at that sort of younger age in terms of undertaking something so big as marriage, >> is it maybe the most effective time, you know what I mean? Undertaking things as big as shagging in the trees and and and becoming pregnant and coming to to their father either aborting and killing a child, millions of children. >> It's the same thing. >> But but I'm not talking about those. >> But that's what happens if when you say no to this. >> There's lots of things that happen, isn't there? There's people that that >> But you're missing the point, my friend. You're missing the point is if you say no to this, right? We have this Islamic solution, right? Okay. I'm not saying everyone needs to do that. There are people who can wait. There are people who can take the time until they get married. No worries. But I'm telling you here is the wisdom of a creator. Right? You have this issue which can happen. Can have these kids which can have these desires which can want to do that. You don't have a solution for me and you see what is the problem when you don't give them a solution. Wait is not going to happen because all parents will tell them to wait. But none of them wait. They go and do what like like you said they're going to do what they're going to do anyways. So if they going to do what they going to do anyways then Islam says okay if they will do something like this here is a better structure in which you can govern things can monitor them govern them and can make sure that this these things are done in the appropriate way that's what Islam says Islam is not encou like I told you Islam is not encouraging any specific age says there's a criteria physical maturity mental maturity and then the parent can look okay is my child ready to get married or does my kid get ready to get married or not and then they can get the married right whichever age 20, 19, 18, 25 the parents can see and can determine, right? And can accept the man who's coming after investigating them. This is how marriage works. But you asked a very about a very specific marriage, right? Very specific situation. So this that's why I was giving you this whole understanding. But you don't see Muslims going around today getting married at at this age whether it's at 9 or 12 or you don't see that happening, right? Because Islam doesn't prescribe that to us. Marriage is a is a is one of the things that we call from the from the customs. So that the customs of the time this was this was the common thing. This how things happen because there's no kindergarten. There's no elementary school. Society is functioning that way. The girl gets puberty. She's ready to start a family. People died very young as well. You had a very low life expectancy, right? You didn't have the medicine we have. You So people had to multiply. They fought in wars. We cannot use today's lens and apply it to the past. And Muslims don't do that. But we have a problem when someone comes and says your prophet is this and your prophet is that and because he did this 1,100 years ago. Like we just say you're stupid to that person, right? Why are you stupid? Because you you're ignoring the rest of human history where this was a normal thing and you're ignoring the the environment and how things were at the time, right? And you're coming criticizing based on how things are today. But you cannot do that. It's a fallacy. It's called presentism, right? You cannot apply the morals and values of today situations and ignore how things were in the past. You got to look at everything in it context. Right? So today as I said to you that's an exception and scholars put extra conditions like the one I'm telling you father's agreement done for the why so they make sure that this is governed done in the right way and an exceptional thing where the father can present okay there's a here is a benefit I'm missing if I if I don't do it now I'm missing this benefit unless he presents this case there is no if there's any harm then say no not allowed to do this. Does that make sense? So Islam is is like is very detailed. You don't just say do this or don't do that. No, there's very laws for every single thing. But like I said again, you have to go back where is the source of morality. Here is the source of morality in Islam and here's the reasoning I'm giving you the wisdoms and reasoning behind the source of morality cuz it's objective. It's from God. Now if someone is not religious, you can say it's my opinion based on my culture and I'll tell you the same thing. Okay? cultures differ can be the difference in the future and different if morality is relative then there's no morality just depending what the society thinks in that day right and if someone says I'm Christian I say okay Christianity there's no age of marriage in the Bible there's no age of marriage in the Bible the Bible Ezekiel talks about the girls uh getting being in the marriageable age it talks about her body like body parts growing which is puberty essentially that's what Ezekiel talks about you have uh for example you have the biggest uh church fathers being betrod or getting married at the age of 12 or whatever. Same thing, right? The age of marriage was even 12 of the the church and the the Roman Empire at the time. This was how this how this was how things were, right? So again, we cannot apply that and change reality today. So Muslims today live their lives no problem. You get married like everyone else gets married and if there is an exceptional case, okay, present, why is this a good thing? For what reason? What is the benefit for the child? Why do you want to do it that way? So I haven't seen anything like this in my life. I haven't seen it cuz today it doesn't happen because the cultural norms change and like I said marriage is a cultural practice. So you can change with the norms and Allah tells us in the Quran and command the if the culture is something command to do that thing as long as it doesn't agree disagree with God or or is very bad right then you can follow that like how you dress or how you do certain cultural things. Does that make sense? Does that answer your question or >> Yes, absolutely. Okay. No worries. No worries. Does anything else you tell me so much? >> No worries. Okay. It was a pleasure talking to you. Thank you very much for your time. >> Thanks very much. >> See you. Bye-bye. Thank you.