Judge SHUTS DOWN Sovereign Living Woman’ Word Salad — Reality Check in Court

Um, I think it's appropriate for me at this time now to terminate the Ferretti inquiry, deny your request to proceed pro se, I'll specifically find that the request is not a genuine attempt to present a legal defense, but a calculated strategy to obstruct and subvert the court's proceedings. The defendant's utilizing rhetoric of what would typically be called a sovereign citizen movement, including raising nonsense challenges and attempting to apply commercial law to criminal prosecution or equitable law. Oh, that's it. >> ma'am, you're saying no, but you're talking over me and I don't appreciate And the state says, should a man prove himself to be a living and not dead nor lost at sea, his estate must be returned to him with mean profit. I am the living I am the living man that has a womb. I have accepted appointment of this office of executive. As such, this office give notice of its authorizations and findings. Uh, I want to note a couple things uh, for the record. Ms. Butler, I received a pro se filing from you yesterday. Uh, there were some documents and things mailed to the court. Mhm. Uh, do you recall doing that? Mhm. Do you recall sending this to the court? >> Mhm. I sent it to the young lady, yes. Okay, so I am going to scan this, put it up into your file, but I just want to note for the record that we don't permit what's called hybrid representation, okay? So, you have counsel, you can't also submit matters on your own behalf. Anything you want to submit to the court, you have to submit through your attorney. Do you understand that? Mhm. Mhm. Yes. Do you do understand that? Yes. Okay, and then the matters that you submitted aren't matters that we understand in this court. Uh, you submitted what we refer to as pseudo-legal jargon or matters that are contractual in nature and have nothing at all to do with a criminal court case. So, I'll upload them into the case, but I'm also going to strike them from the record. Okay? Just so you're aware. Mail that to the clerk. I didn't mail it to uh That's private that you have. The documents that you have. Do you have another case pending somewhere in the court system other than this one? >> It's It's just this case here. Also, those was private documents. It wasn't for public only. >> [snorts] >> Is this something you want to file with the clerk? >> No. It wasn't filed with the clerk. No. It wasn't filed with the clerk. It's supposed to file with the head head clerk, Jessica. And are you trying to file a case or something other than in this case? It's It's referring to this case. Yes. Okay. So, we'll upload them into the file and strike them from the record as I mentioned. Let's get a trial on the calendar. Mr. Prosecutor, how many days you need to try this case? Judge, I believe two. Can Can I say something? Mhm. Cuz I'm not being represented and I'm not My My evidence is not being presented like it's supposed to be. Yeah, because you're not helping me. Will I be able to say something? Okay. I'll set trial by jury on August 18th and 19th. So, Ms. Butler, I set you over for a a jury trial on August 18th and 19th, 2026. If you fail to appear for your jury trial, I'll hold it in your absence and you can be convicted even if you're not present. Do you understand that? I comprehend. We're adjourned. Your Honor, before we adjourn, I Can you grab the mic? Before we adjourn, Your Honor, I know Ms. Butler wanted to make a statement if if court would allow that. Okay. Go ahead. How you doing? Um the reason why I might have to let um Mr. Purble go because I'm not being helped with my case. Um there's a lot of violations that happened towards me. Um, there's a lot of taint My evidence has been tainted. And it's a one-sided, um, case. There's a lot of due process violations that occur. And no one want to listen. Everybody's being selective minded. And I just want to address that to the court. I have so much evidence that I have presented in this court to show you, to prove to you, show facts, and also show you there's a lot of concealment within this court. So, what I'm asking you, can you uh trust somebody to assist me in that matter? Well, ma'am, we appointed the Porter County Public Defender Service, I believe, to represent you. Are you in this matter privately, Mr. Pribble? No, I'm not. So, we appointed the Porter County Public Defender Service to represent you, ma'am. Um, I appoint them, and then they appoint a lawyer. Uh, so you've got Mr. Pribble involved in the case. Uh, you can't pick and choose what lawyer you get when you ask the court to appoint counsel for you. You get what you get. I get that, sir. Okay. But, only thing I reason why I ask is because I feel like I'm not being helped. It seem like I can't do it myself and present this as pro se. But, evidently, uh, it's just being delayed continuously. Well, ma'am, if you want me to, um, do what's called a Faretta hearing and make a determination whether you can represent yourself without counsel, uh, are you prepared to do that? Yes, I am, sir. Okay. I mean, I can do that Faretta hearing, um, but I'll let Mr. Pribble go for the day, and I'll hold you until we're, uh, completed with the rest of our business. I'm not going to let make all these other people wait while I go through a Faretta hearing with you. Can I come back? Come back when? Um, what time is it? All right, around 12:30? Oh, no, ma'am. Um, I don't have time at 12:30, um, but I have time around 11:30. Um, did you have a chance to review the pro se waiver of rights form I presented you in open court? I looked at it a little bit. Did you sign off on that? No, I did not sign off on it yet. Okay, would you like to have more time to review it before you sign it? Yes. Um, can I get the second page, please? Cuz I had written on the back of it. You have a You have a spare I'm just going to give me a whole new one. Can I also address something? You just let me know when you I can. Um, go ahead. Um, when we was spoke earlier about the document that was submitted, I just want to inform you that, um, the head clerk is aware of it um, since May 11th. They've been working with me. Um, providing me all that accounting. Um, what you just gotten just now, I think one of your staff did not follow the correct procedures. So, um, I was was going to let you know that my state has not been abandoned. I also want to let you know that I did not appoint anyone to administer my estate. So, for that being said, I'm coming here with honor, clean hands, and no controversy. I do not want to argue about anything. I just want it to be settled, closed, and gone. Okay, ma'am. Anything else? Um, when you do present another date for me to come in, would I be able to talk about this matter? How does all that up to? Cuz I really never got a chance to even speak to no one. I've been advised >> the jury trial is for, okay? Um, all the facts and circumstances related to the case, the state's evidence, everything of that nature would come out during the jury trial. So, I need to go through this for arraignment hearing with you, ma'am. Okay. >> Um, you've indicated you want to represent yourself at trial. You have a right to do that just as you have a right to have counsel present and have a court-appointed counsel if you can't afford one. Uh, but before I make that decision final, I want to make sure you understand what you'll be giving up. You understand you may have a number of defenses which apply to your case which an attorney is trained to know. Do you understand that? I comprehend. Okay. And do you realize that if you'll be if you were convicted of the offense in this case, that you're facing a possible penalty um uh, two level six felonies. So, each one of those would carry between uh, six months to two and a half years in prison. So, the total combined penalty could be uh, one year to five years in prison. Do you understand that that's the possible penalty? I comprehend that as well. You realize there are factors the court can consider in increasing your sentence within that range or in decreasing your sentence within that range and that those are called mitigating and aggravating circumstances and that a trained attorney knows how to identify those and present those to the court. I comprehend that. Okay. Um attorneys have developed certain skills and an attorney can also evaluate the strengths or weaknesses of the case against you and give you expert advice on whether you should attempt to seek a plea agreement with the state which may result in the dismissal of some of the charges and a recommendation for a favorable sentence in return for your plea of guilty. Uh, do you understand all that? I comprehend that. Okay. Uh, you must understand if you decide not to have having you will not receive any special treatment with your defense. You have to follow the same rules and procedures in your case as an attorney would have to do. Do you understand that? >> Yes, I comprehend that, sir. Okay, so you filed these documents with the court. And these documents make statements about an office of executor observations, findings regarding the Porter County Superior Court interaction with Tierra Lenae Butler. You talk about final order to settle and close. Yes. Different things like this. And then there's like a recitation of chronology, different things of that nature. And a few minutes ago you mentioned something about how the clerk's office is helping you like settle your accounts and different things of that nature. You understand that those aren't themes or processes that are part of the criminal court proceeding. Well, I had did some research on my case and I noticed that my ad in a Hold on, that's not the question I asked. >> No, no. I think you misunderstood the question. >> Is that criminal? It's not criminal. Oh, you're here in a criminal proceeding, do you understand? >> Yes, I yes, I am in a criminal proceeding, but like I've been trying to explain ever since when I had >> I need you to answer the question I asked you. Okay, which was whether you understand that these documents and things that you filed with the clerk's office What's the receipt date on this? It should be April 16 or 15. April 16th it was received, so just yesterday. Mhm. That these aren't criminal matters that you filed with the court. Those aren't criminal matters, the violations that have been been held against me. Yes, that that's a lot of violations. >> they're not though. I mean these aren't things of a criminal nature that would be part of this criminal case. What you're saying, what I just filed is not what criminal? This Explain a little bit clearer. >> papers seem to indicate that you're trying to proceed in equity or sort of a pseudo legal jargon, some type of a >> Is we in a article court three right now? Say again? >> Are we in a article court three right now? I don't understand what you mean. This is the circuit court of Porter County. Okay, so we basically still in the same court as administrator. So you basically trying to administrate an estate. What I was letting you know >> Okay, Ms. Bother, you understand that these administrative things that you're talking about are part of this court proceeding? I know. I'm aware that. I was I was talking to myself. But what I'm saying is I have done some research, okay? And I actually um wanted to trust it. And I'm not getting no assistance with the public defender. Okay? What are you trying to address, ma'am? My innocence of the matter. And also the violations, the due process, the um the unverified um information, the lying, um the evaluation I've been forced to be drugged without a cell hearing, uh my uh evidence that was held from me when the Jeff what his what his name? Jeffrey Clymer had ordered the prosecutor to meet me in private to see my documents, I mean the evidence held against me, and he refused to uh present them to me. That's a Brandy violation cuz it worked in my favor when I first got it. Then also Ms. Bother, I'm trying to get you through this preliminary hearing. >> but you you asked me and I'm trying to explain the the violations, okay? Right, but those aren't violations that are they are part of this court proceeding Now on this court proceeding >> If you have something that you plan to file related to that, it has to be filed through your attorney because you still have attorney. >> I did that too. You know what he did? I don't know, ma'am. Ignored me. What what you have filed through the clerk's office you're saying are matters in equity. We don't recognize what you're talking about in these filings. >> This is a bank. This is a bank. I understand how the court >> This court system operates like a bank. Okay, it doesn't, ma'am. This court system doesn't operate like a bank anyway whatsoever. I Hold on. Let me finish. No, no, no, no. I'm not going to let you finish that particular statement. I don't want to argue and I just want you to understand me mentally. I did the mental thing just fine. You're not worried about any mental thing. What I'm worried about is the conception you may have that this is some sort of court of equity or some sort of a business transaction, some sort of a bank, something of that nature because it is none of those things. You realize that? This is a criminal court. >> Yes, it is. This is This setting is. We're not an Article 3 court. That's a federal concept. >> Yes. You understand that? >> Yes, I am. Okay, we're an Article 7 court, if you must know, in the state of Indiana. Mhm. Separate judicial branch. >> Yes. Not any of the things that you've said here. Yes. So what I need you to tell me is whether you are understanding that you have to follow if you're going to represent yourself, you have to follow all the rules and regulations that are promulgated by the courts of Indiana. You have to follow the criminal rules. You have to follow the trial rules. >> Yes. Will you do that? Yes, yes. You will do that? Yes. >> So you understand that what you filed yesterday can be stricken under the record um I mean sorry, under the trial rules under Indiana trial rule 12 F because it's impertinent to anything that is going on in this proceeding. You realize that? I understand that in the sense, but like I keep explaining to you, it was not supposed to be filed in the court. That's the difference. You filed it at the clerk's office. Yes. Well, let's carry that out for a minute. >> It's a difference. >> name of the clerk's office? The court's office is the clerk of courts. Uh clerk of courts. Clerk of courts, right? So, there are clerks. So, you file something that and you have a case pending, they send that to your case. Unless you try to open a case of your own. No. You trying to open litigation of your own? No. No. What I am >> This has to be presented in your court case here that you have pending before us. Okay. So, you will not strike it? You won't strike it down? Or you will strike it down? Well, it has to be stricken. It is impertinent to anything you were doing here. You understand? No, I don't understand. >> Okay. You have filed documents making commercial demands, uh demanding accountings Yes. challenging the capitalization No, you didn't do that, but challenging different things about um who you are and uh who you would in equity defer to. >> Yes. And for me Those kinds of things. Ma'am, you understand those have no basis in Indiana criminal law. Okay. You're all set? But let me explain Okay, may I may I make a statement to you then? You said there's no basis in criminal Go ahead. What's your statement? What I also want to say something. And I also am a minister and I want to read this on the record, okay? And it states that should a man prove himself to be a living and not dead nor lost at sea, his estate must be to him with mean profit. I am the living I am the living man that has a womb. I have accepted appointment of this office of executive. As such, this office give notice of its authorizations and findings. And now I have issued orders, okay? And in the scripture, the living and the spiritual man judgeth over all things, yet he has shall be judged by no man. And that's 1 Corinthians chapter 2 verse 15. I can like I said, I came to here with clean hands. And I'm now [clears throat] the second of my statement has no longer been abandoned. And I I don't allow no more trespassing and interloping upon and administering it. I discovered a lot of things along the way put me in this position. Okay, ma'am. Uh clean hands is an equitable doctrine. You understand that? Um if this not a quarterback what do you if you weren't a quarterback you you you wouldn't even be given or afforded the right to a jury. Um I think it's appropriate for me at this time now to terminate the for ready inquiry deny your request to proceed pro se. I'll specifically find that the request is not a genuine attempt to present a legal defense but a calculated strategy to obstruct and subvert the court's proceedings. The defendant's utilizing rhetoric of what would typically be called a sovereign citizen movement >> No. including raising nonsense challenges >> No. >> and attempting to apply commercial law to criminal prosecution >> No. >> or equitable law. >> No, that's not true. >> you keep saying no but you're talking over me and I don't appreciate it cuz I'm trying to rule. Uh the right of self-representation is not a license to abuse the dignity of the courtroom or no relevant rules of procedure and substantive law uh based on the defendant's filings and or statements in open court, court finds she's unwilling to comply with rules of procedure and intends to use self-representation solely for deliberate disruption of the proceedings. The request to proceed pro se is denied and appointed counsel will remain on the case. We're adjourned.