Orthodox Christian Surprises Muslim With Intelligent Questions! Muhammed Ali

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What can I do for you? Yes. Um, so I'm uh uh kind of agnostic more or less. I started getting into Christianity about two years ago, Orthodox Christianity specifically, and I started attending church pretty regularly, and I was going to become a catechiman as well, but I started researching Islam a little bit. And so now I'm more or less stuck between the two, you could say. Okay. So, you're do you have any questions for me? Yeah, I did have a video. Um, I was I wrote them down here. I was uh I've started reading the Quran and the first one I'd have would be why is a prayer for deceased hypocrites forbidden? Because it feels like those people would be the people that would need the prayer the most. No. Say that again. Uh, so it's isn't it uh forbidden in Islam to pray for deceased uh hypocrites? It says in the Quran uh 984 I think and I was just wondering why because that seems like those would be the type of people who would need prayer the most. No. Yeah. Prayer here is not talking about like maybe the type of prayer that you think where someone is alive and you ask God to guide them to the truth or something. That's not what this verse is talking about. And the confusion comes up from understanding the word prayer. prayer uh in Islam this specific verse is referring to prayer specific prayer that is done after a person is dead. So it's called janaza prayer which is a form of a funeral prayer that is done for a person who's deceased asking God to forgive them and have mercy on them. Now the person who is a hypocrite in this case is referring to people who are disbelievers and uh impostering as believers among the Muslims so they can cause disunityity and misguide the people. Now if these people die upon their state as disbelievers Yeah. If these people die as as in their state as disbelievers, then you don't seek forgiveness for disbelievers because they're doomed anyways. They died as disbelievers. There's no prayers which is this specific funeral prayer is not done for them because there's no forgiveness for them anyways. They chose to live their life and die upon that state. So this is what that verse is referring to. So you would pray for obviously deceased Muslims and then Muslims and then also uh people who weren't actively trying to cause disunityity within the religion. Would you say would I actively pray for them? Like from what a sense like let's assume there's a group say like yeah let's assume there's a group of hypocrites in in in a region or in a place in a city. Those people are pretending to be Muslims among the believers and their sole agenda and purpose is to misguide other Muslims, you know, and cause them to go to hellfire by misguiding them away from their faith. What what kind of prayer are you are you asking if I'm going to do for them? like people who want me like basically what I want is guide me. What kind of prayer are you expecting me to do? Like well that makes sense. I was I was just thinking about like uh dead family members. Yeah. Plus plus you wouldn't know uh plus you wouldn't know anyways if they're hypocrites or not because they are impostering as believers anyways. Now this verse was was addressing the prophet and the prophet knew who the hypocrites were because Allah revealed to him who they were. But in my in my condition and other Muslims condition, if they are hypocrites, we wouldn't even know who they were. So, uh we would assume they're just Muslims like us. Oh, okay. So, you you probably Yeah, you can ask still praying for them, but you're told not to if you know they're hypocrites, stranded caus because they're beyond they would be Muslims like us. So, I don't really need to like pray for guidance for them. Like they're Muslims like us. But if if for example, if someone I know is a non-Muslim, so who isn't a Muslim like in this case yourself? Yes, of course. I can pray to God to guide you. Uh so if I see signs of sincerity within that person and he's not like a fierce enemy, I can still I can make you know supplication and prayer whatever term you want to use to to God to guide you. Even if someone is a very evil person as well, God Allah uh is the most forgiven and merciful, you can still ask God to guide that person. Prophet made a supplication asked Allah to guide one of two people. They had the same name Omar. So one of the two guide them and they and they were in that state where the prophet made that supplication for them. They were kind of enemies against Islam. So they were fierce pe people against the religion. But then Allah guided one of them and he became a Muslim and then he became one of the people who protect the religion who give honor to the believers. So yeah like making a supplication that God guides someone who isn't misguided. This is something that is allowed in Islam for sure. Okay. So but for God to guide him. Yeah. for God to guide. Okay. You you pray for guns and not really forgiveness for deceased like people who are actively enemies. You don't pray for forgiveness for anyone who's a disbeliever. Like full stop basically. Okay. Just forgive because forgiveness because forgiveness is in the afterlife, not in this life. And if they die as disbelievers, they have no forgiveness. Forgiveness is only in this life which is a test. If you die upon disbelief, you don't deserve forgiveness because you already chose Oh yeah. to live a sinful life. So that basically the period of time where you are tested which is this life you chose not to be a believer. So there's no forgiveness for you. So forgiveness is only for those who are you know upon this they're still in this life and there's a chance of them to accept the truth. So you ask God to guide them because through them being guided they will have forgiveness because that's the only way to get forgiveness. So when you ask God to guide them when they're alive then essentially that the end result is them being forgiven. But once they're dead, there is no prayers for forgiveness for anyone uh who is a disbeliever. You don't ask God to forgive a disbeliever because he is choosing to disbelieve. Okay. Okay. I see. I was under the impression that you're supposed to pray for everyone and that uh prayer for anyone, no matter who it is, if they have passed away, that it can be some sort of relief for them if they're uh sort of if they had been sinful and will be condemned, it can be some sort of relief for them. But you'd say no. More or less. Yeah. When you say under the impression, I'm I'm assuming you're talking about Christianity. Uh obviously looking I am. Yeah. So that's Yeah. So that that's a Christian belief. Um and and I would believe it's not rational. So uh for example, we can look at any like major evil figure in human history. Whether you want to look at Hitler or Stalin or anyone you want to look at or Ma in China, it makes zero sense to pray for forgiveness for people like that who lived their life just massacring innocent civilians and people day and night. It makes zero sense for me to ask God to forgive them because these people knew what they were doing and they died upon that. They didn't choose repentance before their death. So it's me asking God to uh make people who are good equal with people who aren't good. And that's what Allah says in the Quran, right? Yeah. And that's what Allah says in the Quran. Do we make the righteous doers like the criminals? What's wrong with you? How are you judging? Allah is asking in the Quran. Like you don't make the criminals equal to the people who are good. So that's why I say it doesn't even make sense to pray to everyone. You pray for people who deserve your prayer. And if it's a relief for yourself, then it's a selfish thing. So your selfish desires of relief should not exceed the bounds of that which is merciful and just and not because forgiveness is something in in God's realm. It's not yours. It's not your opinion. Decide who's forgiven or not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God is the one who forgives. And God will always forgive those who deserve forgiveness. But God is not going to prevent uh stop forgiveness from someone who earns forgiveness and deserves forgiveness. Of course not. Okay, I see. That makes sense to me. Uh on a similar note, I was wanting to ask about uh saints in Islam because I uh had a Muslim friend. I talked to him. Yeah. He said that there are no saints in Islam, but I've kind of seen otherwise lately, but they don't necessar you don't attribute anything to them, like you don't pray to them to intercede before God on your behalf or anything. So, yeah, just what's the perspective on saints in Islam? Well, are you a Catholic or something? Is that Orthodox? Orthodox. Okay. So, uh define a saint. A saint is someone who has uh passed away and found favor in the eyes of God and has been ruled to have uh well found in the eyes of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I want to take it like a step by step. Someone who who is say say it again from the beginning. Someone who is uh deceased and deceased and then found favor in the eyes of God. Right now this part here, how do you know who found favor in the eyes of God and who did it? That's a question that to be honest I couldn't tell you the answer to but it's just what the uh well I know that seems logical but it's what it is. You know why I ask you that question? Why? Because in Islam I'm trying to show you how that's irrational belief in within the bounds of you can say whether it is Catholicism or orthodox orever whoever follows this idea of the existence of saints. Why it is irrational because only God knows who is good in their heart or not. Because these are internal things that no human being can see. You know can pretend to be good. That doesn't mean they're good. So you can say someone is a saint and he could be the most vicious anim animalistic human being on earth. There's many I can give you, you know, I don't need to give you examples with what some of these priests do with children or whatever. Like it's it's well known, very very well known. Uh nobody needs to talk about that. So these people in the eyes of the people before they're caught they're looked at at the most pious people who are spending their life you know calling people to the message of God and whatever and when they die maybe they oh they will start making a statue for them as a saint or whatever but that person was living his life doing these things the apparent is never a way for you to judge the truthfulness and sincerity of an individual now um in Islam there's a concept called wii wii is is someone who is let's say selected or chosen by god very close to god someone who's very close to God. Now that person who's very close to God, it it's a status in an Islam you can call. It's not like a saint. But in Islam, you cannot know who is and who isn't because Allah says in the Quran indeed the of God there's no fear upon them and they will not grieve. Then Allah defines them in the next verse. Those who believe or have faith and they had God consciousness and piety in their heart. Now how we cannot know ever who these aah are by ourselves because we cannot look in their hearts. So this that is the Islamic position. The only way you can know for example is through the text. If the prophet for example says this person is a is is a you know in his life he said this person is pious or this person is that or he said he will go to paradise or something similar to that. So through revelation i.e. God informing us to his messenger or directly this is how we can know whether someone is a saint like you know I know I didn't say saint because it's the wrong term is a or not so now in in ortho and whether you're an orthodox or Catholic you just call many people by the way there's many people who are called saints in history and you can look that they were not necessarily the greatest of people that we discover later on so you can call someone a saint that doesn't mean that they were truly a saint so uh that's why in Islam we don't have a concept like that because nobody knows who has gained favor in the eyes of God and who didn't God hasn't told us. Okay. So, yeah, it's a similar concept, but you don't really know who it is. You would say, more or less, unless it's directly told to you by Muhammad. Yeah, it's not it's not a similar concept. No, it's not a similar concept because you're not allowed to call upon them when they're dead. You're not allowed to, you know, seek forgiveness from them and go talk to them and hold their stuff and have their pictures. All of this is uh polytheism in Islam. All of this is associating with God. All of it is extremely prohibited. So nowhere near I was just talking about the definition. So if you want to define them in that way. Yeah. Then then even in the definition you'll understand that it's a irrational definition. Whatever definition that orthodox or or Catholics are going to give you, it must be that they were righteous people. And you can never know whe they were righteous people or not except if God tells you that they were righteous people. Okay, that makes sense. The counterargument I'd see that the church would probably give would be that well they canonize people as saints and they'd probably argue that that was revealed to them by God that they should do that and then also that their relics and things they uh can perform miracles or they perform miracles while they were living as uh abilities say given by God. But obvious how weak yeah obviously you can tell how weak this argument is. All of these miracle stuff is just like subjective experiences that cannot be proven. All of this idea of I spoke with God. Every Tom Dick and Harry have said it including Paul in your tradition who has no proof. He ever communicated with anyone but he just claimed it and then people believed him. So anyone can make a claim, right? And anyone can make the subjective references towards something. But yeah, if this is the argument of the church, then it's clearly a weak argument. You know, that's all I can say. Not very strong. Yeah, I I could see that. I understand. Uh so I guess a further question that I'd have is made in the image of God because that's an attractive argument obviously uh that you are made in the image of God and could uh by grace become as God but like with a little G is what the church would say through something called like the you perfect yourself on earth and then through grace you can become sort of as the angels but I understand that might not be Let me ask you something. Okay, let me ask you something. Okay. Um, my question is right now when you say in the image of God, define what that means. Well, you know what I think? I think a lot of Christians use a lot of terms. Obviously, that's a biblical term in Genesis. We obviously know that obviously this ideal image of God, but when you ask a Christian, what does it mean to be? Because a lot of Christians use things, but I don't think they fully understand what they're saying. So you explain to me what does it mean that you are in the image of God? What does that mean? Well, does God look like a human being? What does it mean? Tell me. Well, it rests on the claim that Jesus is God and that you look well sort of less like Jesus. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. By the way, this would be a rational thing, but that's not the claim because that verse was before Jesus took a human form. And Christians would say that Jesus, God is a spirit, is not a human being. And they will always say the flesh is not God. So you cannot say that in the form in the image of God referring to the human form of Jesus because that was a created human form. So I'll ask the question again. By the way, that was in Genesis. There was no Jesus yet in incarnation. It was just the trinity there if you believe in it, which doesn't exist anywhere in the Old Testament anyways. But even if you don't believe in it, now the question will be when the scripture says in the image of God, what does that mean? Uh that's that's a good question. But I guess what I'd say is that I know the flesh naturally is not God, but uh Jesus when he became incarnate, he did so without change, which implies that he was in that form, just not on earth before becoming incarnate. So back during Genesis, before that, after that, eternally uh as he was without change. But I understand that might not again might not make the most sense. By the way, that's not but that's not the argument as well because no the uh it's a heresy to say that nobody believes by the way God has changed in your faith because he adopted a human nature that wasn't there before. Are you telling me there was a Jesus the second person of the trinity prior to the incarnation had two natures? A human and ungodly nature. Is that you telling me? Uh I I was under the impression that there was. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's a heresy. That's that's not true at all. You're not going to find any church father that believed in that because when you have John's record of the word became flesh, it wasn't flesh before. You cannot say the word became flesh when it eternally was flesh. So the and and emptied himself and all of these terms that are in in in the Bible which talks about a transformation and a change from one state to another. If you want to use John's words, which are not Jesus' words anyways, because Jesus didn't say any of that. But if you look at the church fathers, they didn't believe that. Absolutely not. It would make no sense to say that that he had a human nature. Of course, he adopted the human nature when he came on earth when then he was in the womb of Mary and then he was born like a human being and walked on earth. Prior to that, he did not have a human nature. So, there is a change that happened in God and that's a problem that you're going to have to obviously face since God does not change. But in your case, he did change uh because Jesus is in God. All right? So, that's a direct contradiction. uh if Jesus became uh like assumed the flesh became man whereas uh the church says that he did so without change and to be honest I don't know. Uhhuh. I don't know. I don't I simply don't know how they reconcile that. I I couldn't answer that. I don't know. Yeah. So do your research on that and you're going to see uh that this just an apparent contradiction because you cannot be you cannot be uh eternally god and man and then become man. Makes no sense. Okay. Uh well yeah that's just what I've been thinking for a few years at this point now. So would need to look more into that. You're absolutely right. Yeah. Even on the Orthodox would believe he took on the human nature. He wasn't eternally human. He took on the human nature. Okay. So, uh any other uh questions before I point out more contradiction in Christianity? Uh I might have a few but I could look them up on my own like things like why are dogs forbidden to own? But I can I can let you go ahead. These are moral questions. These are moral questions and these moral questions are based on whether religion is true or not. you're not necessarily going to understand every moral command of God. Now, uh we are told some things like for example the impurity in the saliva of a dog. You are allowed to own a dog for three purposes. For example, farming, uh hunting or protection outside your house. You're allowed to do that. So, it's not about owning the dog, right? It's about having them in the house. Uh there's also some spiritual things like for example, the angels don't enter a house that there's a dog in. So, there are things like this that we're told about that are reasons for why you don't have them in the house. But if you own them for the three reasons I told you outside the house that's permissible. So it's not about necessarily the dog uh itself. Now let me ask you a question. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Let me ask you a question. Now you I'm assuming you do by the way uh you believe in the trinity. You believe in Jesus divinity. I'm assuming that's the case because you're Yes, that's right. And do you believe you can account for that from the Bible from Jesus' words for Jesus divinity? Do you believe you can provide explicit statements or evidences that are clear that Jesus was divine God in your belief from the Bible? And can you provide from anyone, not just Jesus's words, from anyone's word, the Trinity? Are you able to do these two things? Do you believe do you are you confident you're able to do that? I'm not confident though because I've seen uh some of your videos and uh I've seen that a lot of the verses that people generally point to are not necessarily they don't necessarily hold up when you look at them more deeply. But in some cases, things like where Jesus says, "I am," you know, you know the one. I know where you're I know you know. But uh that wouldn't the reaction of the Jews to that show that they took it as a claim to divinity because they immediately picked up rocks and started stoning him? No. Absolutely not. No, absolutely not. I The Jewish people just wanted to accuse Jesus of blasphemy under any statement he makes. So any statement that they could misconrue, they were misconstrued. But again, how does I am mean he's God? You know, how does that mean he's God? You're referring to John John 8:58, which is before Abraham. How does that mean? Yeah. How does that mean he was God? Tell me. Well, I'd say that there's a blind person. There's a blind person that he says I am. In the same thing in in Greek, ego amy. And it does in the Bible. It doesn't mean like that just someone says I am. The words ego amy that it means he's God. Explain to me how does the word I am mean that Jesus is God? I I'd say probably that it would be a claim to eternity and to being before uh Abraham as well as being knowledgeable of all things except that which he limits himself to. Of course, that's not the case. Of course, that's not the case because the verse does do not point anything to do with all knowledge at all. You just I don't know. You cannot extract that from the words of the verse at all. You can talk about even eternality. You cannot extract from the verse. All you can extract that he existed before Abraham. If you want to talk about this, this means he was there before. So, so, but it's not going to be I am anymore. It's going to be I was. Okay? So, it's going to be translated as I was, not I am. So, if the translation is that he was before Abraham, Satan existed before Abraham means nothing existing before. If if I accept, look, I fully accept no problem. Jesus existed before. I'm going to hypothetically accept this for the sake of the argument. Jesus existed before Abraham. Does that mean he's God? Obviously not. Now I'm going to tell you I'm gonna tell you someone like MelkiseDC. You know who Mkazedc was? I've heard of him. Yes. But I I still need to do more research. Okay. Melkisedc is mentioned in Hebrews 7. Uh verse 1 2 and 3 where they talk about this person who was a a contemporary of Abraham. He lived the time. Abraham was an eternal priest with no father, no mother, no genealogy, no beginning of time, no end of days. So not only before Abraham, right? He was an eternal priest. And if if that that person if if someone is worthy of being called God just because of eternality, you would use. So being before Abraham is not proof of anything, right? Is God. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay. So look, any verse you are you're going to proh to provide. You said you watch my videos and how I break down those statements. Yeah. The point is you got no other statements because it's only one Bible. And whichever statements you're going to try to provide, I will easily respond to them. But I'll tell you what you cannot respond to. You cannot respond to the verses which explicitly show that he isn't God. Mhm. You're not going to be able to respond to them. Like the fact that he doesn't have all knowledge. Like the fact that he has a god. Like the fact that he says the only true God is the father which is not himself. Like the fact that he holds on his face and prays all night. All of these things like the fact that he says he's given all authority. He's given dominion. All of these things are given to him. So all of these things are explicit statements that Christians the the fact that he says the father is greater than him. All of these things are refuting this idea of co-equality and divinity that anyone will attribute to Jesus and you wouldn't have any answers for them by the way. Okay. So I guess the only other argument that I could possibly pose would be that uh what the church believes comes through church tradition where the church did not really change much at all and has stayed the same way teaching this for ages and ages. And you could see old churches that are built in the same style as modern churches with icons and things like that. I'm going to respond to that. I'm going to respond to that. You know uh um and after that I'm going to probably move on to the second person, but I'm going to respond to that. There was a person that I talked to like I say three, four or or years ago or maybe five years ago. He accepted Islam only because of what he just said because I told him and he was al also either Orthodox or Catholic. I don't remember which one it was but he made the same argument and then I showed him how this argument is a circular argument because I asked him why do you believe in the Bible? You say you believe in the Bible and it teaches because of the church. I'll ask you why do you believe in the church and where the church gets authority from? you're going to say the Bible. So that is called a secular argument. So if you have a secular argument, it's a fallacy. You cannot justify one with the other without proving one of them independently. Now in the case of the church, you know very well that that the scripture which which you hold all your faith, you base it upon is found hundreds of years later unwritten by unknown people and all of that. So if you're going to use the church, then what gives authority to the church? If you're going to say the Bible, then what gives authority to the Bible? You cannot tell me the church and we cannot keep going in this circular reasoning of avoiding answering where you get your authority from. Uh well, what I'd say is that the church was rather rather than gaining authority from the Bible, it was founded by the apostles and by Christ himself. How do you know that? How do you know that? From the Bible. I don't know. Like that's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make. only way you are going to give authority to the church claiming that any any authority for it religiously you have to base it on the scripture and then you cannot justify the scripture because you know it's not reliable so you cannot then turn into the church and say the church is the one that justifies the scripture it's just a circular argument okay yeah I I don't know I'd just say that uh yeah I I guess I could see how that makes sense I I have no answers so I told you he accepted Islam because of that only so I would like you think about this argument because it's a clearcut circular argument. You cannot justify the church without the Bible and the Bible cannot be justified without the church because either of them independently have no proof for to to justify them and to make them an authority and in the end you will end up with both of them not being an authority and therefore your whole religion breaks down. And by the way if you read the church fathers the church fathers don't help you. You already know how many church fathers even the church fathers that you take how many disagreements they have. Some of them will tell you that the the father is greater than Jesus. Some of them are going to believe in the eternally begotten creed. Some of them are going to believe all of these like differences that they had. There was no unification. Obviously, you know about Aries and and the argument. I'm not sure if you know or not, but yeah, if you familiar with church history, church fathers don't help you because the further you go back to Jesus, you find the further you find disagreements and inconsistencies and changes. So, it just makes the case even worse. So, but we are agreeing so far. Since you use the the church father tradition, we're agreeing so far there's nothing in the Bible that supports you and the Bible is against you. And that's why you had church fathers like I believe for example um Augustine he he ch he tried to change the wording of John 17:3 that says the only true God is the father. He he put Jesus with him. He changed the wording of the verse and then he says this is the appropriate wording wording of the verse. What do you mean the appropriate wording of the verse? you're changing the hearse just because it doesn't suit your your belief. It contradicts what you believe. So you will see you will see look at the commentaries of church fathers on verses like John 17:3 or or or uh John 14:28 about the father's greater than I or about the hour mark 13:323 or any of these verses you will see how they're struggling to justify any of these and they try to talk about the human nature and this and that but you cannot prove the human nature and the human nature does not solve the problem because he was also God while he was human. So it's irrelevant while he was human or not because on top of that he had to Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Even if he uh limited himself. Yeah. I was No, I was saying yeah limited himself. If you limit yourself, are you God? I Well, I'd say that God is capable of limiting himself. But no, you can say whatever you like. You can say God is able to become a you know a building, a rock, a stone frog, whatever you want to say. Once he becomes that building frog, piece of paper, whatever it is, is he God anymore? I'm not talking about the ability of doing it. I'm talking about after the fact. Is he God? That that's or is he a rock? Yeah. By definition, he isn't. The definition of God. Yeah. So essentially, you're saying God ceases to become God. That's why this is not a logical possibility to say that God can limit himself because that means he stops being God. It's just like the paradox of him creating a stone that he cannot lift. He no he no longer becomes can the all powerful not be all powerful. So it's a paradox. So it's the same thing when you say that God limits himself. Can the unlimited become limited? It's the same idea. God is by definition unlimited in his power unlimited in his knowledge and all of these once those become limited it's no longer what we recognize as God. Why would you worship something that is limited? Okay. And I guess it also doesn't make sense for two natures to be in one. No. the hypostasis that it's you already know that's a paradox by itself because there are contradictory things I could see that right um yeah I have I have nothing further to say I have not not much evidence or anything but yeah so yeah I would recommend like I said like I recommend you do your research on what we said if you come to the conclusion which you will that these are realities then you can no longer be a Christian if you're a sincere person and the truthfulness of Islam is clear. I have many videos on the evidences of Islam. Maybe you've already come across them. Maybe come across the evidences that we present. Yeah. And that's why we say Islam is the truth. So I would then invite you to become a Muslim if once you do this this research and come to that conclusion on your own that yeah, there's no uh there's no reason for any sincere person to remain a Christian after that. Okay. Yeah. I'll uh keep on reading my Quran. I'm like on page 200 or so. I think I've been trying to do that a little bit. keep on researching and stuff and that video you mentioned that one person who talked about the church fathers is that on your channel no I talk many videos in many of my videos like for example I'd mention different realities about the church fathers like for example the changing of of John 17:3 that I mentioned to you can easily research that and they will come up to you the wording that he has in his letters so these are not like uh all you need to do is to research all of these different church fathers and what they had in commentaries on the verses I mentioned to you and then you realize the disagreements between each of them. But if you you want me to send you wordings of what they said or whatever, I can send you that. But just email me on lantern@gmail.com. Like if you want that specifically, I can give you that as well. It's easy. You said Muslim lanterngmail.com. Yes. I'm writing it down. Okay. Yeah. Just email me there uh and ask me for that and I'll I'll forward you something with with all of their you know, disagreements if you like. All right. Um, it was a pleasure talking to you. I appreciate the sincerity and and respectful discussion and perhaps we'll talk again, you know, when you're ready to become Muslim. Then we'll have a chance. I need to do more research, but I'd be I'd be happy to come back if you wouldn't mind. So, absolutely in the future. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you for your time. Pleasure talking to you. Have a good night.

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