Atheist Presents Muslim With Difficult Questions! Muhammed Ali

okay and uh uh the way we were treated when my 

father died I think that's what started everything that I saw how two face it was they were the 

clergy was there for themselves and not for people and then I started going back and said well 

this is kind the whole thing is kind of silly and I never and I just stopped uh believing I started 

querying and and working on it in my head and I said it just doesn't make any sense anymore yeah 

so so yeah a lot of people have this experience by the way like so the experience of there's 

something called the problem suffering which is what you're referring to a lot of people talk 

about uh and and they have some experienced some sort of suffering in their life and when they're 

very deeply religious and then a lot of them leave but there's something very interesting there for 

me and you can tell me what you think about that suffering should be uh a a given when you believe 

in God something I would this claim more I would personally make because if you truly believe in 

a Creator and you claim that you believe in a Creator a test is the only thing that would prove 

if you truly believe in a Creator or not so if I say for example I have a friend what difference 

does it make to the Creator no problem the thing is God has put us in this life what is the reason 

we here in this life is the first question we need to ask is like from our perspective as Muslims 

we believe we're here to be tested this life is a test right so when you ask this question we 

say is if this life is a test then there will be trials and tests happening in this life right and 

and God rewards those who do right and and then he punishes those who do evil right so because 

we are living in a test this is the purpose of our existence in this life then we come we'll 

encounter these sort of things right so uh but you claim this is the thing you chose to claim 

you are a believer in that in that situation or scenario so if someone chooses to claim that he's 

a believer then shouldn't it be a given if a test comes that he shows that true belief that he has 

in his heart and manifest manifest it by sticking on his faith because if I have a friend and I'm 

sure you have many friends you know very nice gentle I'm sure you have many so if you have a 

friend and then a friend says you know I love you as a friend and all of that when you are in need 

you need money you need help question you call him he doesn't respond he doesn't help you then 

you would know he doesn't truly love you because it's not about the statement that you make the 

claim but it's about the behaviour that you that you take afterwards right so we say God test us 

in this life Allah Azzwajal says in the Qur'an; Do people think you would be left to say, "we 

believe" and they will not be tested? we've surely tested those who came before them, so Allah 

will make evident those who believe from those who don't, because anyone can claim oh God I believe 

in you and okay but you believe in me but when the difficult test happens what do you do and 

sometimes we do love worldly things more than we love God, some it happens there are people who 

love their children their wives the money and God tests us with these things say okay you believe 

in me okay I'm going to take away that thing that you claim that you love me more than that thing 

so let's see are you actually going to behave in accordance to what you say or not so this is uh 

a part of why we exist we're not we're not here in this life that's what we believe as Muslims 

we're not here in this life to play around and you know and have fun and this we believe that's in 

afterlife if there's no point of paradise if we're going to have everything we need in this life but 

what's the point of having the life at all if if if all there if you have a choice why doesn't God 

just create after lives that all worship him put us in the end God seems to be very insecure that 

he needs worship he needs us to be perfect beings for him he needs us it seems to be very insecure 

in his role I I'll respond to that I respond to that but you said okay why doesn't God just put 

us in paradise and undo that's that's in the Quran the step Allah says in the Quran you know why you 

read the Quran Allah also you'll be seeing the answer in the Quran specifically to that question 

Allah says in the Quran that if we were to punish them earlier before putting them in this life they 

would say Oh Our Lord you won have punish anybody no but but those who would be evil they don't 

deserve to be in Paradise there's no life there's you just promote directly to the after life 

without a life but if you create people who are good and worship you I mean who who wouldn't love 

God already but God already God already did that do you know do you know who who that is the Angels 

so the angel Allah Azzawajal Allah Azzawajal is a Creator right we believe Way Beyond my belief no 

problem but we if we are addressing things from an Islamic point of view so we take the Islamic 

structure right in this case I would have to answer you from the Islamic Paradigm right so if 

you say why didn't God do this I'm telling you God already did that right in this case if you're 

saying the creation is always evil which are satan or demons etc there's a creation which is always 

good in this case always worshiping God which is the Angels so if you say why does God not create 

he already did Allah Azzawajal one of his names is Al-Khalaq he continuously creates and these 

creations have different roles different purposes based on his wisdom we are one type that one type 

of creation has a test in this life he's given a choice to be better than as some scholars would 

say better than the angels in behaviour because we choose even though we have a desire to dis 

we have the ability to disobey we still obey the angels don't disobey but if we have the ability 

to disobey we still choose to obey so we'll be better than or worse than the animals because 

animals just follow their instincts and desires and we just do going to do the same thing even 

though we have the intellect while the animals don't have the intellect so it's the choice you 

are that creation that can choose to be either better than this or worse than this so Allah is 

giving you that test it's not about insecurity Allah Azzawajal says in the Quran he doesn't need 

our worship Allah is free self-sufficient of you but He does not please disbelief for his servants 

He wants to reward you actually Allah created us in this life and He wants to give us goodness 

He wants to have mercy on us He wants to give us reward do you know how in Islam if you commit one 

sin you can you can repent any questions about if you if you do one good deed Allah gives you 10 

times the reward to 700 to x amount you cannot even imagine based on the intention based on how 

much effort that you put in that in the action so Allah doesn't want bad with you if you do good 

deeds Allah forgives your bad deeds because of the good deeds that you're doing so Allah Azzawajal 

He wants good with you He's not and He sends you prophets He sends you messengers He puts people 

in front of you right He give you signs when you're living in your life Allah says in the Quran 

that uh He's not He actually gives you signs right Allah says in the Quran that We will show them 

our signs in the Horizon and within themselves then is clear to them that is the truth so make 

sure to gives you sign to give you signs to give you examples you know the perfect sign is like 

this world around us this tree is beautiful tree you have rain descending from from the the sky 

we not controlling it and this tree growing by itself when it dies it regrows by itself you have 

different vegetations sprouting from it different colours different tastes every single fruit is 

different from the other fruit right and we are not controlling this is the same water we're not 

adding substances we're not doing nothing this cycle is happening right God gives you these signs 

for his existence He gives you these signs around you creates uh uh animals and He creates insects 

that do miraculous things or wonderful things that we we cannot do as human being or some say can 

do you have ants they have colonies and they have queen systems and they have presents they have a 

a crazy social system that some human beings are not even able to imitate and they don't even 

have a brain If you want to look the brain where you going to put in in these ants right so 

Allah guided this creation to be a sign for us like every day people some people ask for a sign 

but every day you walking there's signs around you 24 hours this this this creation of God is a 

sign for you so but the question is are you going to actually follow and do it or not but let's 

let's let me ask you now a different question because this is all very circular reasoning just 

like the it's very circular reasoning how do you know so well because God said it so how do you 

know that this tree is here well God put it there look at the master of the universe he just is 

because because God put it what if we remove God from the equation that's what I was about to do 

actually the tree is still there no no but that's what I was about that is what I was about to do 

with you actually it's excellent that you said that we're going the same place right this is not 

circular reason I'll give you the reason why it's not because I was I was about to come to that so 

let's come to this world view that you were saying rationally let's take God out of the picture from 

the discussion we're saying right now can you have something from absolute nothingness 0 plus 0 plus 

0 equals what no absolutely nothingness no yeah so that means if there's creation today there 

was no point ever that there was nothingness no no it's impossible you just don't know no no but 

you just agreed with me that that you cannot have something from absolute nothingness well doesn't 

mean there was always absolute nothingness no no I'm not saying that I'm saying there was never 

absolute nothingness right because if there was can have something today by definition by what 

we agreed upon already right so there was never absolute nothingness that means there was 

always something we know the universe has a starting point so it's not the universe any 

question let us do you disagree with majority of scientists we don't we don't know or the 

general consensus we don't know the spec the big bang what was there at that moment of no no 

but they that was something no problem was that always there yeah and you're saying it's a 

breath of God right yeah no no no I'm just saying this as the question whatever it is okay 

there was matter energy uh that we know it's not conscious does not behave because we see matter 

and energy so whatever the energy and matter that was in existence has to come from have to source 

from something else and and that is what started the whole universe were're in which means that 

there is something that brought that thing that started the whole universe that we're in now this 

is what we refer to as God so when I say that God did this this and that I'm really just saying the 

entity whatever the entity that have brought the energy and matter and caused the universe is what 

we refer to as God so nothing about this I believe a circular reasoning because we agree that you 

canot have something from nothing that's that's the that's the spec that we know nothing about and 

you're you could call it God I could call it uh blah blah blah it was a spec of energy okay let 

me ask you this let me ask you this when you look at the I'll tell you I'll tell you why we agree 

on the definition of of what it is because when you look at the universe the universe displays 

certain things we say what do you need what kind of attributes what's your name by the way can 

you remind me John John can you remind me what kind of attributes do you need John what kind of 

attributes do you need to create a universe if you wanted to create a universe what attributes do you 

need what what certain things that you you would require like if I told you create another universe 

what would you need I given much thought but but do you know why you have to give it much thought 

because based on the attributes that you require this attributes whatever brought the universe 

will have it will possess it by necessity so that's why we say when you look at the universe 

you will need an amount of energy or power can even comprehend because all the universe 

is atoms and power you need intelligence knowledge to where to place things and wisdom 

and all of that how the cycle the orbits and and electromagnetic waves and how the universe 

is all of these things you require right and you to be before the universe you call not to be bound 

by time and space continuous that we are in all of these things is what we refer to as the Creator so 

even if you want to use a different name because we say Allah anyways like you don't want to say 

God you don't have to but thing is this all of these names Allah God Dios forever they're all 

referring to the same entity the attributes right the attributes is is is what's important here 

that we're referring to there is something beyond us more powerful than us that brought us into 

existence and put these signs for us right and if we're here then there is a reason we're here 

just like you know whatever create whoever created this bottle gave it purpose whatever created 

this whoever creates anything gives it purpose by definition and you think and you what what 

makes you think he's still here what makes me think things continue now now things are continue 

the tree grow where it is because because I don't personally yes yes there's nothing it started 

with a speck of energy okay where did the energy come from it was always there but that makes no 

sense I'll tell you what can I tell you why can I tell you can I tell you what but can I tell 

you why I I see with allers it's okay you can say that but but can I tell you why I see a bit 

of inconsistency there you're willing to believe like there's a speck of energy that you don't know 

why can't we call God a speck of energy I'll tell you can we call a spec of energy I respond no 

problem I'm happy to respond I'm happy to give you the answer intelligence it just boom and then 

intelligence is created from the spec of mass is created from the spec of energy I'll give you 

the answer no problem I'll give you the answer the answer is the answer is very simple but before 

I give you the answer I wanted to point out this is that you're willing to say there's nothing I 

believe in a spec of energy that is eternal over believing that in an intelligent entity that 

has agency with the same attributes right that has energy but it holds eternal so I see a bit 

of inconsistency there but I'll respond to you why cannot be energy because energy from what we 

know based on the laws of thermodynamics cannot be created or destroyed right and this energy within 

a closed system cannot be created this so there has to be a closed system who brought that closed 

system into existence what restricted the energy these all are all questions that requires 

answering so if there's energy and it's not a conscious entity then it cannot 

make decisions cannot bring things into existence therefore you require an external 

explanation so these are all reasons why we say is speak for energy because energy is 

not conscious it does not behave and it is limited be honest with me John why do you 

feel like you're struggling is it still the same experience that you had that makes you feel 

like you're no I'm I'm genuinely asking a question right is it still that same experience would you 

say that would have an is if you accepting the concept of existence of higher power because look 

we're not Christians yeah I'm sure you already know like I'm I'm not look like a Christian do 

I so we're not Christians which means we don't believe in the same idea Islam gives answers for 

the like I'm giving you answers for the ideas of the problem of evil or suffering or things 

that happen in other religions do not have this right they do not have rational answers for 

these questions they're not going to be able to give you rational answers to these questions in 

fact the Quran already prepares you I'm looking forward to absolutely the Quran already prepares 

you it tells you you'll suffer Allah says will test you with loss of life and loss of wealth and 

and sickness and Allah tells you and be give glad tidings to those who are patient those who are 

true believers will be patient right God works in mysterious ways right yeah absolutely this 

is a Christian a Christian that's a Christian that's a Christian that's I'm about to say it's 

a Christian phrase that's a Christian phrase we don't use that talking to my wife last night and 

it was funny that this just came up that when you can't explain something but when what is it that I 

didn't explain the evil of mankind but I was just explaining answer that this life is a test and of 

course you'll have to be tested look we given the uh well even not the evil just the Injustice 

just the uh not even inj the Injustice to a single person let's say to a single person who's 

done nothing wrong uh let's say a baby dying of okay okay now the Injustice of that I'll answer 

that no problem that's an easy one I'm sure you've got answers so so if I've got look if you think 

I've already got answers the point asking the question so the thing is this way no no we want 

to bring him closer did I ever okay let's be fair John let's be fair you seem like a fair person 

let's be fair did I ever give you this answer in any question that you asked not yet okay so let's 

agree that this is not the case with us I'll tell you why this is a Christian thing because in 

Christianity Christianity defies rationality and logic right it's not bound by it when you talk 

that's why they say God is mystery talk about the trinity God is a mystery talk about contradictions 

of Jesus identity God is this is not Islam now you said the baby for example we talk about the baby 

we see in Islam we don't this life that we exist this baby does not live in an abstract world 

the baby lives in a world where there are other human beings that baby that exists first from 

an Islamic point of view I'll give you a glad tiding that Islam we believe when when children 

die you go to paradise straight out so first is that these babies do not have suffering in this 

life that we would have if they were continue to live their life Prophet told us that a person will 

be dipped in paradise when he's taken away from paradise Allah will ask him this is the person 

who suffered the most in this life Allah will ask him did you ever see any suffering he'll 

say by You have never seen suffering because the happiness the good times makes us easily 

forget any suffering that we went through so that baby first it will get a direct ticket to 

Paradise as they say you know I would rather be that baby easily take a take it to paradise over 

so it's a mercy of God rather than anything else I would say it's a mercy of God on that baby that's 

number one number two then now the other aspects of the pictures that many people don't see which 

is a test for the people around the baby test for the person who caused the killing or do evil or 

this or that would be a cause of that's for the family members who lose the baby so there's many 

elements that's why we say cannot take things out of as like abstract concepts out of reality right 

there are many other things that are around it there is answers John right and there's clear 

answers and logical answers and good answers and would satisfy the person in Islam I would 

guarantee you that because I talk to Christians I talk to every religion I've been talking to 

people from different religions for a long time so the fact is Islam will satisfy this rational but 

if you're open enough to listen and investigate and read that's that's the only thing that the 

Islam asks you or God asks you to do right you can always ask God for guidance you don't need to 

ask me or ask any human being if you try you'll see it will it will work wonders but the answers 

are there like from for the questions that you ask so I I will let you I will let you you know 

I was willing maybe you have another question or something I I you know metaphys metaphysics 

isn't my specialty okay and uh it is yours you can I don't know about that just like okay I'm 

not uh I'm not trying to do that I don't I we just trying to seek the truth in in a way right 

yeah because in the end you will go and read right you don't have to take my word for anything 

and you will see that I'm telling you is there Quran is saying it right so that's not me being 

being intelligent thank you very much no problem I will I will read this I will read it cover to 

cover if you have any question you're welcome you know if you ever come across any stand like this 

you're always welcome to come and talk to us and you don't ask any other question do you have any 

other questions do you think no no I don't because I I'm already okay okay well I hope I hope Allah 

I'm already where I am yeah I hope I hope Allah opens your our heart and everyone's heart because 

I'll tell you I know people personally who said I will never become Muslim and it changed so 

you never know pleasure talking to you John appreciate you giving me your time yeah no problem 

I appreciate it it was nice talking to you you too I do appreciate the time no problem thank you very 

thank you for your time thank you bye bye see you.