Mom Demands Dad Take S*x Offender Class During Therapy With Kids

Uh yes, your honor. Good morning. Uh Jeremy Aswara, plaintiff, father, and perl. >> All right. We're here today on a status conference. There was a prior uh order that addressed some reunification counseling. Mr. Shaw, anything to report on this matter? >> Unfortunately, I don't have a lot to report, your honor. Um, Miss Su or Miss Connor um did um work uh diligently to find a reunification counselor. Um she had found too um information was provided to Mr. Azawara in regards to those counselors. He promptly uh in some way shape or form alienated himself from those counselors. One of the counselors um wanted to get or one of the counselors that Miss Sufound wanted Mr. Azoara to engage in a um sex offender risk assessment which under the circumstances I don't think is an unreasonable request but Mr. Azawara would not um do that. Um and then probably a month or so later maybe a month and a half later um I had uh contact uh with the practice administrator at Real Life Counseling who had reached out to me and told me that everything was set up to have counseling begin uh with the child and Mr. Azawara. Um, but I had no knowledge that that was going to happen, nor did my client. Um, apparently Mr. Azawara represented that we had agreed to use um the counselor there, but that was not in fact the case. Um, that individual or that counselor um is is frankly just not in line with um Miss Su's beliefs and the child's um religious upbringing. I best I can tell that counselor identifies as non-binary. Um and uh that's somewhat concerning for the reasons I just stated, but also under the circumstances of this case um you know neurode divergence gender issues I think are um are maybe a problematic um uh personality or or issue for the counselor to have. So, um, unfortunately, we, uh, are still searching for a, um, counselor that everybody can live with. >> Thank you, Mr. Razoir. What would you like to say? >> Um, yeah, I have a different perspective on what happened. The counselor that I had set up, I actually got the name and number from Mr. Shaw himself. He sent that over. Um I did set up an appointment and I there was email communication that uh went without any response back. Um uh this was at the end of March. I went ahead and proceeded with it. I had my initial intake April 1st. Um, I asked them when can we get Liliana in? Um, with the assumption that everything was okay considering that, you know, they provided the number themselves. Um, they reached out on April 3rd and said they had spoke with Christina and that Liliana was scheduled for an appointment for her initial intake on April 16th. Um, come April 15th, all of a sudden we're rejecting the counselor. We're we're we're cancelling appointments. Uh, that's obviously a whole 12 days went by of no communication, no contact. So, I think it's uh a little misleading to say that I've alienated myself. Um, so that's where we're at. Um, the counselor, I mean, she was excited. She was uh empathetic. She was concerned. She she was confident and she was ready to take us on. It has been a very daunting task to find counselors up here um that were willing to work with a high conflict situation, court orders, uh potential alienating situations. Um and so it's been very difficult. So the two people that I got were from Mr. straw were uh Lori Laur, excuse me, Lauren and then Stephanie. Um so I did reach out and I spoke with both of them and we did talk. Uh however, Lauren was available quickest and I wanted to get in, you know, as fast as possible. It's already been going on almost two months. Um so that never happened. I reached out to ask why. I was up until today now I was not informed of any reasons why they cancelled and the reasons why they canled. Um, so I I'm just very confused. There's a PO in place that says I I'm sorry. Okay. >> So it sounds like you might have had an issue with one of their proposed counselors as well. Is that true? Well, I had only an issue because one of the counselors stated that they wanted me and Liliana to cut all ties with our current counselors and just be solely devoted to them. And that's the issue that I had because I'm working independently personally with my own personal counselor for the past year. And I thought that was kind of and I did hear hear from other counselors that it's kind of unethical to make you kick out your own counselor that's helped you. Um, so that's kind of the reason why I didn't go with Stephanie in the first place, but I did solidify everything with uh Lauren at the uh um real life. Um so that's why I'm confused because I mean I got the number from them. >> All right. Well, I don't think a counselor can stop different counselor. often times as like you said reunification counseling is a separate counselor than the party's personal counselors and you're certain always certainly always allowed to have any personal counselor that you want um >> a agreed agreed >> and kind of each side vetoing one counselor have there been any additional efforts made sir since that time to find somebody else to do it doesn't have to be in person counseling it can be in the state of Michigan to do it by Zoom or anyone licensed in the state of Michigan. >> Well, I I understand that, but the whole point to reun reunification is for me and Liliana to be together and talk to each other, not just be on the phone. That's important is to to look at each other, hug, you know, go through all the emotions and repair all. >> Where are you at with trying to find a third option? I I I don't know because I'm in a position where everybody that I'm going to find I mean are they just going to find some reason to reject it. Um and that's that's truly what I believe is that it's just >> they've counselor so far. Correct. >> There's only one counselor that we have um objected to. There have been two other counselors that were proposed to Mr. Azara. one I he had some sort of inappropriate communication with and the counselor decided that she did not want to um participate or or engage with Mr. Azuara and I believe the other one wanted the sex offender risk assessment which Mr. Azoirara would not do. I don't know why Mr. Azoara thinks I gave him this Lori or Laurens's number. I I didn't um I have all my emails pulled up in front of me. I haven't had any phone communication with Mr. Oswir so I don't know why he thinks that. I also um I question kind of whether or not he's remembering things accurately or perceiving things accurately because as you noted um your honor, it would be highly irregular for a for a counselor to say, "Stop seeing your individual counselor. You must only see me." That that's I've never heard of that. I think it's frankly I think it's nonsense. So, I mean, I'm very suspect of most of what Mr. Azawara says. We can continue to um on our end try to find somebody. Um but you know, I'm kind of at a loss here. >> Okay. So, Mr. Noir, are you able to make some efforts to seek out some additional potential counselors? >> Um well, I have I I've been hitting the pavement. I I' I've ran through like 20 of them and like I said, the only ones we made progress with um uh >> I'm looking towards the future, not the past at this moment. So, are you telling me you have zero opportunity to get a counselor involved? >> No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. I've had plenty of opportunity and I have been trying and the only ones that were successful where we were able to uh work with insurance get dates and and sessions were in fact um from um from the uh uh the number that he gave me. I'm not sure why why he's saying he never sent that to me. Um, do you want >> want more time to attempt to try and find a counselor? Should we reconsider and do some type of >> Here's here's where I'm at. I've been trying and the only time we've been successful, we shut down counseling for I guess at this point religious reasons. I mean, I I I'm not sure what that means or why that's I've heard what everyone said has happened. Now I'm asking what you want to do moving forward. >> Well, I I if if I if you can just one second. Um we had a a motion uh Christina filed a motion to modify the PO so we could communicate outside of Mr. Straw on matters about Liliana. Uh that was in front of Hesselique on April 10th. When we got there, that wasn't the case. She actually tried to convince Judge Hesley to put Liliana on the PO. So I could not contact her at all because it would be considered harassment. >> All right. So the question was, what are we going to do going to do moving forward? >> Well, I mean, I'm I'm willing to do whatever. I've been trying. I'm I'm I'm It's a very frustrating situation. I mean, I'm not the one that's >> that's having objections to counselors. How what do you think is a reasonable course moving forward? >> Well, I guess um what I what may may make some sense is just to have Christina um uh report to the court kind of what she had done um early in this process and what her perception was. But I mean, we have another issue that's completely false. Miss Su didn't go to a PO hearing and try to get the child added. That she tried to get it lifted so they could communicate about the child. when Judge Hessling said he didn't think >> that is 100% inaccurate, sir. That is 100% accurate. >> I did not interrupt Mr. Shaw did not interrupt you. You don't interrupt him. Okay. >> I'm sorry. I apologize. >> Christina, can can your honor, would you allow me to just ask a few questions to my client? >> Sure. >> Thank you. Christina, can you just um give us a quick synopsis of what you had done um after getting the court's order um back in March of 2025 uh excuse me, 2026, >> I filed a petition with Hling to modify my PO to open up communication with Jeremy and Liliana to have communi common communication about Liliana. Um and Mr. Razwara, he was very frank and said he did not want to have any he didn't need to talk to me anymore. He didn't want to have communications. His biggest concern mentioned twice he wanted his firearms back. >> Okay, >> that's all he was concerned about. But there was no modification of me >> putting Liliana on the PO to hinder anything. I was trying to help bridge the gap together so they could communicate. >> Okay. But so in regards to seeking out counselors, um what had have you done um to date? >> Oh, I have probably reached out to 15 counselors, which I ended up reaching out to Jeremy's mother, emailed her and let her know I had found two new ones. I didn't hear from her or him, and then I emailed you that I didn't have any correspondence. That was beginning of May. And then that was a Brian and a a Marne, two separate counselors. And I have not heard from either Brian or Marne or Jeremy at all. >> And these uh this Brian and the M and Marne, their contact information was communicated to Mr. Azoir's mother. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> May I respond, please? >> Well, I just want to know, Mr. What do you want moving forward? Do you want some additional time to try reunification counseling? Do you think we need to instead have an evidentary hearing and since this reunification didn't work out, we decide should be parenting time or not parenting time? What are your thoughts? >> Actually, actually at this point based on what's been said, uh there are there are blatant lines going on. I think we should have an evidentiary hearing so that way I can present all this evidence to you because I'm not the one that's I'm not the one that's misunderstanding here. Um so I think it would be I think that would be the best. We'll just go ahead with another evidentary hearing. I'll bring Mr. Charles's emails. um I don't know how we can work on getting the transcript of that PO hearing, but um or the modification, the motion to modify hearing, but there's no way she can say in court that she's trying to bridge the gap, but put Liliana on the PO, so I can't contact her. And she used the frame harassment. It would be harassing and it would cause Liliana to regress. So, I'm I they they really it's pretty much just contradiction. So, I I believe yes, at this point, we're not going to get anywhere. It's just going to be sabotaged. Um she claims that she sent these to my mom. >> What's going on? >> I I understand. I'm not trying to be >> All right, Mr. Omar, you were all set. Mr. Schwaller, your thoughts about the next procedural step. Do I adjourn for a status conference to see if this can happen? Do I set for an evidential hearing to see if we make some other changes? I guess it's difficult because the court made a specific order and those things aren't happening, >> right? But I don't know if it can happen communication. >> Not my main >> Well, I guess I would inquire with Mr. resoir whether or not he received my email on May 11th with Marne's uh contact information and Brian Brian's contact information and whether or not he ever reached out to those people. But I mean that's the last communication I've had with Mr. Ezoir was on May 11th when I forwarded along the contact information for two additional >> Mr. Did you follow up with those counselors that Mr. Shaw suggested? >> Um one second. Um I if if I may um >> you can answer this question. Yes. Did you follow up with those counselors that Mr. Shaw sent you in the case about May 11? >> I believe that Marne I did contact prior. I remember the name and they just didn't have the time. If there's new time available then that's that's a possibility. But and I'm I'm I'm I'm open to anything. I just want to get this ball moving. I mean, and I just doesn't seem like it's going to get moving in the future because I feel like against it. So, >> specific motions filed. This is just a status conference. So, I'm going to adjourn the status conference out 60 to 90 days to give the parties some additional time to work on the counseling. If there is no progress at that time, then we'll have to address where we head next. Any questions, Mr. Ozwara? No. >> All right, Mr. Shaw, any questions? Uh, >> no, but I will represent on the record that as soon as we're done here, I'll forward along that contact information for those two counselors again. Um, and and hopefully Mr. Azoir can make contact with them. I am very familiar with Bryant Cornet. He's he's a good counselor. I think he's a good candidate. I don't know, Marne Ali, but um you know, I know that we want to get something going here and and um >> yeah, I'll leave it at that. >> All right. All right. Thank you. We're all set for today. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Court next calls the matter of Janelle Wixon