Shia Girl Confronts Muslim On His Claims Then This Happens! Muhammed Ali

Um, excuse me, but I think that you and some of your followers that you haven't known Shia and its concepts correctly and precisely. And every time that someone is in the stream uh they come to Ashura and Karbala, but they can't defend it very well. They can discuss exactly what is the loyalist in Shia, what does it mean? So you you're the educated person that who's going to tell us these topics essentially. Now, have you seen any of my videos, in particular, the video that I have that is titled Muslim Dismantles Shiism. Have you seen that video? Uh no. So just to give a quick background or context for this discussion, uh this Shia girl came before in a previous live stream. She said um making false claims and incorrect accusations and misrepresenting Shiism and she's there to correct me. The first question I asked her was if she watched the video I have about dismantling Shiism specifically. She said she didn't watch that video. So I advised her to go and watch the video first, but she was very combative in a sense and she was always moving from the point here and there. So I thought in this video it's very important to be assertive and keep her on the point. Let's watch how this discussion is going to go. Have you watched the video? Yes. Uh I watched >> if you watch Yeah, so if you watched the video, then my question to you is can you tell me, because I asked the questions I was asking in the video I'm going to ask you again, which is the same question that I asked you last time which we talked. Can you show me where are the 12 Imams in the Quran? Again, I'm I'm I'm I'm going to say the same thing I said last time. In the Quran. Don't go to Hadith. Don't go to this report or this incident or the Quran itself. By the way, you're breathing into the mic, so it's making background noise. So where is the 12 Imams in the Quran and where are we told to follow the 12 Imams are going to be infallible that know the unseen? Where is that in the Quran? In the Quran, please. I'm going to say it again. Go ahead. Uh For example, Quran commands us to pray, but it does not explain how to pray or how many rak'ahs each prayer should have. So you solely believe that the details of the prayer should be learned from the books of the prophet's sunnah. And you and I both know that the Quran is a book that requires an interpreter. The Quran itself states that states in several verses that God guides or misguides whomever he wills through this very book and its verses. Uh Uh a same verse can guide someone and can mislead someone. So how could we expect such a book to tell that Imams are first Ali, two Hassan, three Hussein. They should believe that the interpretation of the Quran is responsibility of the Imams, all of whom are from the prophet's lineage, like a lineage of Musa who were prophet unless the Imams are not prophet. Lineage of the Aaron were prophet, Yaqub were prophets. And they possess divinity granted knowledge. We say ilm of ladun, ilmun from God, a knowledge that God has given them. Just like what is mentioned in the Surah Al-Kahf where God granted a special knowledge to the Hazrat Khizr, a knowledge that even Moses did not have. Okay? Okay, so now you you spoke for a few minutes and you haven't answered my question. You went on to talking about the prayer. I didn't ask you about the prayer. Does Allah in the Quran talk about the prayer? I I don't don't don't I'm not asking you for a long answer. I'm asking for a yes or no answer. Does the Quran talk about the prayer? Yes or no? The prayer, yes. The prayer >> Yeah, I said yes or no answer. Yes? Does the Quran mention different times of the prayer? Yes or no? Three times, I think. In in a >> that's wrong. Does the It doesn't matter what times you're saying. Does the Quran say the time? >> Does Does the Quran mention different times? I didn't say exact time. I said does the Quran mention different times of the prayer? Not exactly, but in uh Not exactly. Wait, wait. Again, I'm I'm asking a >> Okay, so you are lying cuz the Quran does mention different times of the prayer. I said does the Quran mention different times or not? Okay, so all those are Okay, so Allah Don't lie don't lie, so don't lie and say that Allah doesn't mention times because it does mention time. So this is one verse. There's another verse in Surah Taha which mentions all all of the times, but I don't need to go into that right now. I'm asking you the question. Does the Quran mention times? Yes, it does mention times. Okay, so that the other question I'm going to ask. Does the Quran mention things that are found in the prayer? Like prostration, kneeling and and these Does the Quran mention these things? Yes, but not exactly what >> Okay, no no no Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I asked a simple question of yes or no. Quran does mention, okay. On top of that, does the Quran say the prayer is an obligation and that we need to do it? Yes or no? Yes, it's obligation. Okay, so you you brought the example of the prayer. So here is my response. The Quran mentions the prayer. The Quran mentions the times of the prayer. The Quran mentions things that we do in the prayer and the Quran tells us that the prayer is something that we're commanded to do and that if we do not do, then it can lead us to hellfire. Now, all of this is information about the prayer in the Quran that you brought as an example yourself. Now go ahead and find me information about the Imams in the Quran. Anything. Anything. Where are we told to follow the 12 Imams? That they are a part of our religion? That it is a sin not to believe in them like that that we have about the prayer? Or that they are 12 to begin with or that there is Imams? Find me anything in the Quran about the prayer. And I'm going to make this argument. Anything which is a foundational thing of Islam, like the prayer, is going to be found in the Quran and many aspects of it is going to be found in the Quran. I'm not asking you to find me every single thing. You don't need to do that. But where is the concept in the Quran? Go ahead, show me. Like you brought By the way, like I said, you brought the example of the prayer. I didn't do it. There are hundreds of verses in the Quran that talk about the prayer. Hundreds. Now go and bring me one verse. I'm not going to ask you for 10, five. I'm not going to even ask you for three. I'm going to be a such a generous person with you and I say one verse. You know? One about your most important creed in your faith. Bring me one verse in the Quran that in any way, shape or form talks to you about the 12 Imams and the need to follow these 12 Imams. Now, and I'm not done by the way. The second thing I'm going to say, responding to what you said about the Quran says that it requires interpretation, that is your false belief. The Quran explicitly says in the Quran there is clear verses in the Quran. And there are ambiguous verses. So there are two types of verses. There are clear verses in the Quran. Not all verses Allow me I said don't interrupt. I didn't interrupt you when you're speaking. I'll let you finish. Allah says in the Quran chapter 3 verse 7 about the Quran From it are foundational verses, clear cut verses are found in the Quran. Allah says Say Allah is uniquely one, clear verse. And there are verses which are ambiguous, but then Allah tells us how to interpret them. Allah says in the Quran that the messenger is sent to explain these verses, to teach us hikmah and wisdom. Allah says what? The prophet. Allah says We sent down to you the vic so you can explain to the people the Quran. Allah says in the Quran You have in the messenger of Allah a great example. Allah tells us in the Quran if you disagree over anything, return it to the Quran and the prophet. Allah tells us in the Quran that he sent us the prophet to teach us the Quran and the hikmah. So all of these are verses telling us that the prophet is going to teach us the meaning of the Quran. Now your false creed teaches two things. First, it teaches the existence of the Imam and the unseen or whatever. Then you have your own false aqidah, which is the aqidah of Batiniyyah, that the Quran has an an internal meaning that only the Imams know. So go ahead, show me where does the Quran mention one single verse? Where does the Quran mention the Imams or say that we need to get our religion and understanding of the Quran from the Imams? So Allah in 6,000 verses told us the prophet everywhere in tens of verses is going to teach us the Quran, but he didn't send us one single verse that actually tells us, you know what? The interpretation is actually with the Imams, it's not with the prophet. So where is that verse in the Quran? Here's the question. I'm going to repeat it again. Don't please don't go again like I said to you the last time we talked, which was very brief. Don't don't go to Morocco and Spain and and China. I I asked you a simple question, so please answer the question. Bring me one verse or say or simply say I don't have it. Either bring me one verse in the Quran mention the Imams, anything to do with the Imams, that the knowledge of the religion is taken from the Imams, anything. Go ahead. One verse from the Quran. Quran. A kind of military coup in Shia belief. A kind of military coup took place in last days of the prophet's life. And they took power from Imam Ali. Therefore, if the Quran had had explicitly mentioned the name of the Imams or that he should follow the Imams, those individuals might have destroyed or altered the book itself. For this reason, the Quran refers to following the Imams through just the concept of the verses. Can I give you an example from >> No. No no no no. Let me comment on what you just said. I I literally just said don't go to China. And what you did is like this is Guys, don't be surprised, please. Don't be surprised. This is every Shia that you're going to talk to. They have nothing to present for their own main creed in the Quran. Nothing. There is a reason Shias are a minority. There is a reason Shias are not leading in argumentation and talking to non-Muslims. All the people that are inviting to Islam are are Sunnis. Why? Because Shias have nothing to present. You just ask them simple question. Find me one verse. One one verse in the Quran. I didn't talk to you about the prayer. I told them no go Wait don't don't interrupt. I told her not to go to China and she instantly goes to China and tells me there is a military coup after the death of I didn't ask you about military coup or I don't know what you're talking about the death of the prophet. Then she says with her military coup which never happened. She then says that maybe things have been altered. So I'm going to ask you this question now so we can show the false creed of Shias here in in 4K to everyone to watch. Are you saying the Quran is corrupted? Yes or no? No. Okay. So if the Quran is not corrupted Okay, done. So if the Quran Either way by the way either way you Whatever you say is not going to help you because you have 2,000 narrations in your book and Al-Kafi talks about the corruption of the Quran. I don't agree. >> talk about this. Okay, sure. So you disagree with the with these scholars that mentioned these narrations. That doesn't matter. The narrations are there. Now Now I'm going to say something very simple. Whether you say the Quran is corrupted or not you still shooting yourself in the foot. If you say the Quran is corrupted then you're shooting yourself in the foot because the Quran says it's not corrupted. And then you're you're a disbeliever because you're saying the book of Allah is corrupted. Or you say no it's not corrupted and then you can't explain how your most important creed in the religion the 12 Imams the fact that they are infallible the fact that they should exist at every time the fact that they're divinely appointed the fact that they only have the interpretation of the Quran. The All of these things which are the whole religion your whole religion is based on you don't have even a single verse in the in an uncorrupted Quran that talks about them. So now explain to me why there isn't even a single verse that talks about the great foundation of your faith. You agree with me that if someone doesn't believe in the Imam of the 12 Imams he's a disbeliever in your faith. If you don't believe in the Imam of the 12 Imams you're a disbeliever. So something that is in your faith that makes you a disbeliever why is not is there not even a single verse about it in the Quran? You told me about the corruption of Quran. We believe that one of the persons that were claiming that a Quran is corrupted is Aisha himself because he claimed that the verses in the Quran were about his goodness that were deleted from Quran and it's in your own book. And in another narrations Aisha says that the verses under my bed that a goat came into the room and they ate it. I didn't ask you I didn't ask you about Aisha. I know I know I know I know your whole religion is about Aisha the mother of the believers and and the disbelievers in your faith that that don't believe in the mothers of the believers. They mention her name day and night. You know before they sleep they take a pill Aisha. They wake up in the morning they take another pill Aisha. Before they drink water they say Aisha. I didn't ask you about Aisha the mother of the believers. I asked you a simple question. And you again you will go to China again because that's that's how Shias argue. That's the issue you're debating. I said to you in the Quran that you already admitted there is not corrupted stop going to China and Japan and Morocco. I'm asking you the same question again. In your Quran that you instantly and clearly say is not corrupted why I ended with that question and you avoided it. I'm going to ask it again. In your book in the Quran that you believe is the speech of Allah why is there not even one single verse that talks about the most important creed that the whole religion of yours is based on? You are called Shia 12 Imamiyyah. You're called the 12 the follower of the 12 Imams. You're called Ja'fariyyah. So this is the whole creed this is the whole your whole religion. So your book that is coming from Allah why is there not a single verse that talks about that creed of yours that your whole religion is based on? Tell me. Why is there not a single verse in the Quran? One verse that mentions it. Ati'ullaha wa ati'ur rasula wa ulil amri minkum. We think that the ulil amri minkum are Imams. Because they were chosen by the prophet in Ghadir Khumm. Imam Ali was chosen. Stop stop stop stop. Stop. Allah says in the Quran Ya ayyuhallazina amanu with the verse that you haven't read properly. Allah says Ya ayyuhallazina amanu ati'ullaha wa ati'ur rasula wa ulil amri minkum. So Allah first in the Quran says obey Allah obey the messenger and he doesn't say and obey ulil amr. Allah doesn't say wa ati'u ulil amr but Allah says ati'ullaha wa ati'ur rasul. Why does Allah not say obey ulil amr because they're fallible they can make mistakes. While So if you say the ulil amr here are the Imams then you admit that the Imams are fallible. Why do you admit the Imams are fallible? Because Allah didn't say ati'u obey them. So this complete obedience is only given to Allah and the messenger because these two sources are infallible. Now if you claim the ulil amr are referring to the Imams then you did one thing you highlighted that your all your Imams are infallible. And then we go on to read then Allah says fa in tanaza'tum fi shay'in if you disagree over anything then what do you do? Return it to Allah and the messenger. So it doesn't say return it to the Imams. Which means again that the Imams are are fallible because if the Imams were as you claim infallible and this verse is talking about them the verse should say if you disagree over anything return it to the ulil amr return it to the Imams. So this verse which doesn't mention Imams you go to ulil amr and you misinterpret the word ulil amr which clearly does not mean Imams it means ulil amr that's what the word means in the Arabic language the people of authority people of authority that can refer to many things. Now it doesn't say Imams there anywhere. So you can claim all you want this refers to the Imam it doesn't. But I said even if I were to accept it even if I were to say okay ulil amr are the Imams you're proving that therefore they are fallible and if we disagree over anything we don't need to care about that the Imam says. I answer I will answer your question and then I have a question from you. I want you to answer that. About infallibility infallibility we can say other verses. Yes yes. You say that I skip this I I will skip this okay? And I will go to You skip my question. Yes. No no no no your question about ulil amri minkum. You said that That wasn't my question. Yes. I I made three points. I said this verse does not say Imam. Does it say Imam? We believe that ulil amr are Imams. I don't I don't I don't care what you believe with all due respect you can believe you can believe that's not that's not my my my that's that doesn't matter to me what you believe. Like you can believe whatever you want. We're talking about evidence now. Does the verse in the Quran say Imams? No it doesn't say Imams. The second thing thing I said the verse doesn't say obey ati'u. And the third thing I said when we disagree the verse doesn't say go back to the Imams. All of these are facts these are not questions. I'm highlighting facts. So again I'm going to ask you the question again which you're avoiding. Where does the Quran Why does the Quran not mention any verse about the Imams? If it does bring it. You didn't bring any verses. So why does it not mention Imams or that we should follow Imams? That was my question that you haven't answered. Why does the Quran not mention the creed of your faith that your whole religion is based on? What would you expect Quran says? You mean you expect Quran say that follow for example Ali? You know Quran itself named the prophet the name of prophet Muhammad only four times in the Quran. And the only Sahaba that is mentioned in the Quran is Zaid. Okay. Even in the verse of Surat al-Tawbah verse 100 that you believe that it's about Abu Bakr we don't have any name. So you you expect Quran to name Imam Ali Ati'ullah. So what about after the prophet's death? What we should we do if we have a problem? >> Okay. You go to Japan and and Morocco again. So let me respond to you again to your diversion again. Al- Allah We don't believe as the people of Sunnah we don't believe the Sahaba were infallible. We don't need their names mentioned in the Quran. Whether it's mentioned in the Quran or not mentioned in the Quran it doesn't matter because for us we're not believing that they're divinely appointed people that exist in every time that are infallible that know the unseen that they are the only people who know the interpretation of the Quran. That's your religion. So what you're doing here is you're conflating things. Obviously we don't we doesn't matter for us if the names of the individual Sahaba are not mentioned because we don't believe they're Imams you do. So you can say all you want oh the the names of the Sahaba are not Who who cares? It doesn't matter. It doesn't defeat the point. Our religion is not built upon our creed is not built upon the names of the Sahaba. That's your religion. So now I didn't ask you for the names of the Imams again. So you are red herring again. I didn't I didn't ask you for the names of the Imams. I asked you for the concept of Imamah. Where is it in the Quran? Where does Allah say there are 12 Imams that are infallible that you need to follow that they have the understanding of the Quran. These things that you believe. It does not exist in the Quran. The concept doesn't exist. Then on top of it the names that don't exist. So while the names of the infallible people that you talked about it exists. Muhammad Muhammad The prophet his name is mentioned in the Quran. Musa is mentioned in the Quran. Isa is mentioned in the Quran. Nuh is mentioned in the Quran. Adam is mentioned All of the infallible prophets named in the Quran are named in the Quran. So in the Quran we do not find the names of your By the way you believe the Imams are better than than the prophets. Some say except prophet Muhammad. But if you believe the Imams are better than the prophets and I believe you even said that last time when we talked. If the Imams are better than the prophets then how can the Quran mention the names of people who are lesser and not mention the names of people who are more important? There is a verse in Quran where it says Allah Ibrahim al-Hazzam. I know about the prophet Ibrahim. Don't read the Quran because the Shia can't read the Quran. I mean Shia can read the Quran. We already know that. We see all the Imams there making the most ridiculous mistakes in the Quran. So, you can read the translation so you don't misread the Quran. Go ahead. I have the Farsi translation so I can read the Arabic Arabic verse. No, or you can translate it. Okay, read read. You want to read the Quran? Go ahead, read. Yes. Read. Rabbana waj'alna muslimina walakamin dhurriyatina ummatan Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong Rabbana waj'alna muslimayni lak. It's two people here. Referring to Ibrahim and Ismail. Continue. You're misreading the Quran but read again. Rabbana waj'alna >> Because the source that I'm reading it from it has not kasra fatha, you know? I'm reading without kasra fatha so I cannot I don't need kasra and fatha. I don't need I don't need kasra and fatha. Yes, because you may know Arabic. My language my mother language is not Arabic. So that's my So I that's why I told you Shia can read the Quran so don't read the Quran if you can't read it. It has kasra fatha. I can read it. Okay. Copy paste the verse. Copy paste the verse put it in in Google and get kasra fatha or get a translation and read the translation. But don't misread the the speech of Allah. Okay, the the prophet Ibrahim asked God to give him a Imam and in his generation in his excuse me descendants in his lineage too. And then God says that a Imam will be given to someone who is not zalim. Okay. >> You're you're you're you're wrong. Allah says to Ibrahim in the nasty Imam, right? This is what you're referring to. Allah says to Ibrahim I'm going to make you an Imam. Right? And then Ibrahim he says women dhurriyati I'm from my lineage. Correct? And then >> Yes. Allah says layanalo ahdi zalimin. That the zalimin they don't get my covenant. That's that's the verse you're quoting, right? Yes. What does What does that have to do with your 12 Imams? Yes, okay. You believe that the prophet is from the lineage of Abraham because we Shia believe this. We believe that the prophet is from the lineage of the prophet Ismail. Yeah, we believe the same thing but we didn't talk about the prophets. We talked about the Imams. Okay. We believe that this Imam will continue to the prophet. Imam with is someone [clears throat] who is the leader of the ummah. Okay. After the prophet there should be a Imam. We have a hadith. I didn't ask you about your hadith. I'm not interested in your hadith. I don't believe it. It's your hadith. It's your hadith. >> I'm not I'm not I didn't ask you about hadith. And this hadith is not referring to your Imams. You brought the verse from the Quran again. This is a problem with the Shia. Look, you quote a verse from the Quran about Ibrahim has nothing to do with the Imams and then you go to a hadith that has nothing to do and that has nothing to do The sahih hadith from your books not our books. Let me finish what I'm saying. Let me finish what I'm saying. And you go to a hadith that has nothing to do with what you're saying and and you just mix potato with with with cheese. Like what what are you talking about? Like focus on what we're talking about. Where does the Quran refer to what you said? You you you quoted this verse and you said that Ibrahim asked for Allah to make him an Imam. Okay. Now let me ask you a question. Was Musa an Imam? Was he an Imam? Musa alayhis salam was a prophet. And That wasn't my question. Was he an Imam? He was leading his group. He was leading his people. Yes, he was the leader of his people. I didn't ask you if he was the leader of his people. Was Musa an Imam? Okay, what do you mean by Imam? What's your concept of Imam in this? >> you The Imam the Imam like Ibrahim he asked to be an Imam and Allah made him an Imam. That same Imam. Was Musa also an Imam like Ibrahim was Imam? Yes. If you mean Let me finish. So yes, so you're saying no no not if I mean a leader. The verse in the Quran that you quoted about Imam. How was Ibrahim an Imam? He was an Imam according to you. Allah says in the Quran in the jail Imam. I'm going to make you an Imam to the people. So Ibrahim was an Imam. Correct? Yes. Okay, was Musa also an Imam? I should ask this question from our scholars. I'm not a scholar to know that is every prophet after Abraham was Imam or was a prophet. >> an Imam? What is an Imam? What is an Imam? What is an Imam? What is an Imam? That's not That's not every prophet. That's That's one of the five main prophets of Islam. That's the That's the from in our That's one of the five main messengers. I'm not asking you about any messenger. I'm asking you about Musa. One of the five messengers. When Allah says in the Quran those messengers we raised above one another. Allah mentioned raised in grades over one another. Allah mentioned one of them spoke to Allah. Referring to Musa for his high status. So Musa was an Imam. What is an Imam? What does an Imam mean since you don't know? What What does the word Imam mean? The prophet or the meaning of the word Imam Imam Imam. The Imam is the person that you do Imam of that you follow. You Imam of. So if you're a leader of your people a righteous leader and you lead the people and people take you as an example and follow you. That's what what an Imam is. Correct? Yes. Okay, so Musa was was an Imam of his people. Correct? Yes. Okay, but you said to me that Allah says in the verse that layanalo ahdi zalimin that anyone who does zalim to himself cannot be an Imam. to himself >> If if you do zalim injustice to yourself you cannot be an Imam according to the verse. When Ibrahim asked Allah said layanalo ahdi zalimin. Correct? So Musa did zalim to himself. So how can he be an Imam? Musa explicitly says in the Quran [laughter] Rabbi inni zalamtu nafsi. I I have did zalim to myself. So now you explain to me how are you an Imam and you did zalim to yourself? Okay, in our at or duas that is a receipt >> you about your dua. Let me ask you about your dua. >> Yes, because our Imam will say zalamtu nafsi too. My ear I I value my ear and the audio. Please don't scream in my ear. I'm asking you the question. How is How is Musa an Imam like you claim and in the same time he did zalim to himself and you said anyone who does zalim to himself cannot be an Imam. Just like our 12 Imams they do this dua in their books. For example, Sahifa Sajjadiya from our fourth Imam. It's full of these words. Rabbi inni zalamtu nafsi but we don't we don't consider this that kind of sin. >> Yunus Yunus in the belly of the whale he said la ilaha illa anta subhanaka inni kuntum min al-zalimin. So Yunus according to you was an Imam because he he was from the zalimin and Allah says in the verse layanalo ahdi zalimin. Do you see how Do you see how stupid the Shia understanding Wait, let me finish what I'm saying. See how stupid and shallow the Shia understanding of the verses of the Quran is? It just ends up breaking in the end you don't you don't end up proving your Imams in the Quran. So anyways, I I think that's more than enough. I think that's more than enough for this discussion. I mean we've highlighted everyone to everyone that Shiaism I just asked me many questions. You didn't answered my question. No no I I didn't ask you any questions. Last time you came you told me I have made false Let Let me finish Let me finish my sentence. Last time you came you said to me that I'm making many false claims in my videos about Shiaism and you're coming here to correct it. So then I asked you this question about the Imam because I told you I made the claim that there is no 12 Imams in the Quran and you said you're going to disprove that. So I'm I asked you the same question when you came. So don't say that I'm asking you questions when you are the one who came and said I was misrepresenting Shiaism. So what we did here is we just represented I'm not misrepresenting Shiaism. I'm clearly telling you what you believe and I'm saying the truth about your books and you are a clear example to the people to show that what I was saying was the truth. Anyways, I think that's more than enough at this point. I mean I don't want to At this point it's beating a dead horse as they say. Okay. I I didn't ask you any questions. Last time you came you told I have made false Let Let me finish Let me finish my sentence. Last time you came you said to me that