77 Year Old Christian Veteran Attempts To Convert A Muslim! Muhammed Ali

how are you I'm good uh look uh before I say anything I want to say this there's several Muslim podcasts just like there's uh several Christian podcasts and so forth you are my favorite because you know you and I are not going to agree on Christianity and Islam there's no way we're going to agree on it but you know what we can agree to disagree in a a a good way and not an ugly way so I just want to say that before I say anything I've never called you before but I've seen you a lot I love the way you treat people that don't believe like you do you're not sarcastic and anyway I just want to get that up front and then I wanted to ask you something that you said about two or three weeks ago and I wanted to make sure I heard what you said correctly you there was a Christian on and he brought up John 146 and you know what that is it says Jesus saysi am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me and you said I think okay I think you said this I think you said yeah I love it when Christians bring this up because it means nothing because Jesus was not saying that you had to go through him to get to heaven you only had to believe in him to get to the father now am I correct on saying that well it's you're close enough I didn't say it that way I said it differently and and but but kind of let's say the idea is very similar uh but before I I would like first to thank you for for the your kind words but there's many people who seemed like to to make like judgments on you from the previous conversations that you had I don't know how that went but I'm just going to say I'm I'm going to we're going to have a conversation we're going to see how things are most important things is to keep a level of sincerity be reasonable and not interrupt uh while we're talking that's that's the what these are the rules I have other than that and be respectful of course that's very important so when it comes to the what I said I said John 14:6 proves that Jesus is not God and that's why I said I love why they bring that verse because if I say I'm the way to something or someone then I'm not that thing and I'm not that person if I say me the Muslim Lantern is the way to Islam then under no rational uh logical reasoning would I be Islam myself if I say I'm the way to Islam that means I'm not Islam I'm just the way to that thing so if Jesus says he is the way to God then by definition he isn't God he's just the way that leads you to that God so I'm saying that verse if it proves anything it proves that Jesus isn't God because he's just the the way to the Creator and to God so that's why I said basically okay but you're missing the other two elements he not only says he's the way look Jesus is not a way sure he's not a way sure he is the way and then he says he's the life okay I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father and you know what that means when it says no one comes to the father he's talking about going to heaven because if you look at throughout the whole Bible especially the New Testament when it speaks about the Father the father is where he in heaven I think you believe Allah is heaven but I don't Allah is in heaven but I don't know that for sure but Christians believe that God is in heaven so when Jesus says the the only way to get to heaven is through him or the only way to get to the father is through him he is essentially saying that the there's only one way it's a narrow way he talks about that I don't know what the verse is but it's in the gospels there's the narrow way and there's the wide way the wide way is the road that leads to destruction the narrow way is through Christ and it is it it's it's narrow and people say well you know we we we we need to be uh objective and not not have such a narrow path but Jesus said like in the Lord's Prayer uh it says uh Our Father which is in heaven so when Jesus says the only way to get to the father is through him he's talking about the only way to get to heaven and there's other other things let me just ask you another thing if you want to make a comment on that go ahead yeah so do you believe God is in heaven yes so when you get to heaven you get to God so it's the same so the verse the meaning of the verse doesn't change so if he says when you get to nobody gets to the to God except through me then is the same meaning because you still will meet God in heaven the meaning didn't change even if he's talking about heaven I'm that doesn't change what I'm saying it's still the fact that there are two distinct things then one is the way to a thing and one is that destination and the end result of what you're trying to seek and I'm saying if this is the case then if Jesus is the way to God then he isn't God himself and yeah this verse just I would say confirms our position even if you keep saying the way we have no issues with that because we believe you cannot reach if I was living at the time of Jesus he is the only way in which I can reach God and Heaven I I 100% believe in that I'll shake your hands with that I don't have this is what Muslims believe but Muslims believe that at the time of every Prophet for every nation so every Prophet when he was preaching to his Nation he is the only way to get to God because he is the only one that you need to follow and Obey and get Revelation from and do the commands that he teaches you and without them you cannot get to heaven so I don't have any issues with that to be honest with what you said that the meaning that you gave it's still in line with what with the position that I have well you know I know you believe in John uh what is it uh 14:28 where Jesus says that uh the father is greater than I do you believe that Jesus said that in John 14:28 well I think you know our position on the Bible anyways when it comes to it it's not reliable historically but we use it because Christians believe in it so if Christians believe I don't see any problem in Jesus saying that it makes rational sense for Jesus to say that God is greater than him makes perfect sense of course God is greater than him because he isn't okay do you believe in John 5:23 you know what that says 23 you can tell me yeah what does it say yeah Jesus is talking about all judgment is given to him not God not not God the father and I know you you disagree with that but all judgment is not to Allah we say as Muslim but all judgment is going to be given to Jesus Christ and then in verse 23 it says so that all may honor the son just as they honor the father now Jews these were Jews that were writing this John was a Jew okay you don't associate god with anything but he's saying in this verse here Jesus is saying it all should honor the the son as they honor the father exactly the same the same honor is given and you look at Revelation 5 I don't know what the exact uh verse is there but they're all bowing down and worshiping to the throne and Jesus Christ and God the Father are sitting on the throne and all these people are bowing down and worshiping and it plainly says in John or in Revelation 5 and I think it's in the 20s I'm not sure 23 or something like that worshiping both God the Father and Jesus Christ the son so let's go back to 523 what do you think about what do you think that means 523 John oh okay whatever you said about worshipping is is like I don't think it's it's the case but what you're what you're saying regarding Joan I don't I don't have an issue with that verse absolutely no problem if the if he says that judgment has been by the way not just judgment Jesus says in the Bible all authority everything has been given to him if judgment or and authority and everything has been given to you that means you didn't possess them that means you cannot be God if something gives you something if someone gives you something then you didn't possess that thing so if Jesus did not possess Authority if Jesus did not possess the power to judge and it was given to him and then the verse says that he will judge people meaning in this life because it doesn't say other than this life it just says judge people so if Jesus is going to judge people in this life we have no problem by the way Allah says the same thing about Prophet Muhammad in the Quran and when Muslims read that Muslims don't think that Prophet Muhammad is God Allah says you can be the judge over between the people so Allah has made Prophet Muhammad the judge and and Allah says uh if you obey the the messenger the prophet you obey Allah so if you obey and listen to the Judgment of the Prophet is like obeying and listening to the Judgment of God that doesn't mean that Prophet Muhammad is God no Muslims believe that but we say that means because he is a representation his judgment is like the Judgment of God and God is given him the power to judge the people because he is the representative of God he receives Revelation he just delivers what the Creator commands him to say and do so that verse I again I have no issues with it I can easily come that's why the problem uh Ry is that Christians will have to rely on verses like this nothing explicit nothing clear because it doesn't exist and all of these verses I can look give you an explanation like this which will easily and will big perfect sense explain the verse and it will show that Jesus isn't God well if you I'm sure you read the New Testament at least one time correct yeah okay if you read the New Testament and look I'm 77 years old I was born again when I was 37 years old I'm sorry 27 years old I've been a Christian for 40 years I've studied Christianity Islam Baja Hinduism Buddhism Mormonism Jehovah you name it I've studied okay and I I look at the evidence I look at the evidence I look at the Quran that comes 600 years after the new test we actually have manuscripts that you can actually hold in your hand that go back to the early 2 Century these are like four 500 years before Islam ever existed I know you're going to say no Abraham was a Muslim and all that but we don't know that but let's just look at these manuscripts they talk about the things I'm talking about now and yet when you get to the Quran and you look at what is it 4157 where the Quran says Jesus was not crucified the overwhelming evidence not just from the New Testament from but from many historical writers Roman Greek and so forth uh Latin they they they tell you that Jesus Christ was crucified he died he wasn't swooned he was resurrected on the third day and came to life Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified but the vast majority of evidence whether it be from the New Testament or from any secular documents will tell you even B IR who Muslims love to quote will tell you flat out that the the best evidence in all the world for any fact is the fact that Jesus Christ was crucified and died now B doesn't believe he was of the dead but he does believe he was crucified okay sure sure so you've said many points I'll try to kind of respond to them uh first thing you say that that you you've studied Islam first I like have perfect due respect to you you look very young by the way you don't look 77 so I I hope I'm happy that you're taking care of yourself no problem happy that you're taking care of your health but when it comes to studying Islam Islam is not something that someone can spend a few years there Islam is a religion where Scholars dedicate for one field like for example you have a scholar called albani who who's from Albania and he spent his whole life studying one field of Islam which was the science of Hadith so Islam is such a vast Sea and the in Encyclopedia of Islam and religious scriptures are beyond the understanding of anyone and and if you don't have even the tools to to learn it and study it like the Arabic language for example and the basic kind of tools to dig into the text and understanding I wouldn't say I have studied Islam you can say yes I've studied Islam to to a a specific level to a you know I've studied some things I've read this and that but the evidence of Islam are so many that I'm sure you've not come across them come across a few of them here and there which is okay so that's the first thing I just want to comment on that because it's very important uh the second thing when it comes to you say that Islam came 600 years if something comes 10,000 years after something else it doesn't change the fact is true or false if it comes from the same source which is God Christians believe in the New Testament which comes thousands of years after the Old Testament it doesn't change the fact that both of them they believe both of them came from God and therefore both of them are accurate and correct the scriptures of the the people believe in today of the the Old Testament it includes things which were revealed to Noah it includes things which were revealed to um Abraham these things that came thousands and thousands of years before the New Testament that doesn't change the reality or the fact that something is true or false just because something is older and something comes later on God has something called progressive revelation he sends prophets progressively he sends Adam he sent uh Noah he sent Abraham then he sent you have David Solomon Moses and then you have Jesus God sends prophets one after the other so of course there will be a time difference between the prophets that are sent between one uh one and the other now that doesn't change the reality that they're all from God and they're all true and the history the when one was revealed and one wasn't does not change that reality or fact so that's I would say that's not an argument to me because it can apply to you when it comes to the Old Testament it can apply to you with other religions that claim they're older like Hinduism will tell you or 5,000 years old or whatever one of the oldest religions you get many people that will claim that CL something being older than something doesn't mean anything secondly uh you said that uh you have manuscripts that that says the same thing 400 years before Islam that's not true because the earliest manuscript earliest fragment that you have from the second century by the way late second century is the p-52 which is a card this big and it does not have information that contradicts Islam it just has some information from the Gospel of John is that has no relevance it's not foundational information the earliest full manuscript you have of the Bible is from the fourth Century the earliest is the Cod of caticus which is nearly 200 years separate from Islam you can say uh so if it's Fourth century and Islam started you can say in sixth Century or whatever sixth sth Century then it's like two 300 years separate like and and again I said that that time is irrelevant like how old or how new this irrelevant but still this information that you have is way way way separate from the source which is Jesus whatever you have the full manuscript that you have 400 years after Jesus it's written by unknown people and you quote you said Bart Erman or whatever he he not even Bart Erman anyone would admit to that fact that these manuscripts are written by unknown people because we don't have their Source they're copies of copies of copies of copies of of something else like Q source and M source and all of these things that biblical Scholars will talk about so you have Anonymous writing that is 400 years later now you mentioned last thing you mentioned was the Quran chapter 4 ver 157 and we say we have no issues that historians was recording were recorded that Jesus died historians record people die generally they don't record Miracles historians would just especially secular ones they would record uh that a human being died we have no issues with that so that's the first thing second thing we don't have an issue with it because the Quran says the people believe that it appeared to the people as if Jesus was crucified so when someone tells us that people record that he was crucified or died we say that makes perfect sense because the Quran says that so the Quran doesn't say that people realized that he wasn't crucified or something but appeared to them they thought they believed that he was crucified so we have no issues with that again that doesn't contradict our belief in any way we don't have any problems with what you're saying so do you believe Jesus was actually crucified and died on the cross if that's why you're asking me now if you ask me as a Muslim I don't believe Jesus was crucified and and died on the cross and my evidence of that is the evidences objective evidences that I have that Islam is the truth and if I have object objective evidence is that Islam is the truth then then the Quran is the speech of God if God says Jesus was not crucified then there's no doubt that Jesus was not crucified but as I said other people which what you quote it historians or whatever they would believe it because it's common sense to believe it we don't have an issue but our religious point of view will Source from God God knows everything he knows history and uh he knows more than anyone would know so if God told us that Jesus was not crucified then we would believe that that Jesus was not crucified and he was he ascended he was raised up Christians believe he he went up to heaven after we believe he just went up but without the crucifixion taking place well uh that's the Crux of the Christian faith is the crucifixion the death and the resurrection of Christ Paul even says that if you don't believe in the uh resurrection of Christ and the crucifixion because he had to be he had to die before he could be resurrected then you're not he says your faith is in vain so that's why as Christians we believe that Jesus what was not only crucified and died but he arose on the third day and you know that's the core of Christianity when you take away the crucifixtion like Islam does you're doing away with the resurrection as well and and Paul said and I know you don't believe anything that Paul said but these writings if you just go back to the catticus the uh uh alexandrian and the what is it what's it there's three of them the caticus the vaticanus and the alexandrian these are like uh 325 maybe even 425 ad all of them talk about the crucifixion this is 200 years look when when most historians do uh they want to see what history looks like what do they do they don't go to the earliest sources that they have they go to the later sources the earlier sources so I'm saying to you why would you believe a document that comes along in 600 a or little father than one that let's just say came in 400 ad I know you're saying it doesn't matter in time 200 years is nothing for eternity but I'm going with what comes first and you're going with what comes second and you know what I know I don't know if you were born into Islam or if you just got into it because you thought it was real uh I was born in Tennessee which is not only the Bible Belt but the Buckle of the Bible Belt but you know ma uh I I I so appreciate your Zeal for what you believe in but I I've I've looked at this stuff like I told you for over 40 years years now and I'm I'm I'm still looking into it I watch a lot of uh open Forum I've been on there a few times I love those guys I love you the way you conduct yourself but we we have to make a decision and you cannot be right and I cannot be right at the same time one of us is wrong now we won't know that till we die I'm going to probably die before you because I'm guessing you're in your 30s and I'm getting close to 80 so I'm going to die before you one of us is not going to heaven we're not going to spend eternity with God or Allah in Heaven both of us cannot be there one of us will be one of us won't be and I'm just saying you know I think the Lord has put me in this place just to just to say a few things I know I'm not going to convince you you're smart you're much smarter about the Quran than I am I only read it one time that was after 911 but I read it and I underlined things and I thought man how could these people do this and what what book I look I'm not condemning all Muslims because of what these people did but you know because we had a lot of Christians in the Crusades and the uh some some other stuff uh what was the one with the Catholics I forget that one but Christians have done some bad things too so let's face it we both got some things some skeletons in our closet but we have to make a decision and I just want to say to you you're a young man you got a lot of Life to Live check Christianity out double check what you read in Matthew Mark Luke and John and then the Apostle Paul I know you don't like Paul like most Muslims don't they think Paul is a fraud and all this kind of stuff but uh if you study Paul and you study people that have studied Paul I think you'll come to a different conclusion okay so uh when it comes to Paul I like I have many videos where I talk about Paul and why I don't trust Paul and it comes from his interactions with people in in his life I do appreciate your heartfelt and and good kind of wishes for me that you want me you know you want good for me I want good for you too and you say I will die before you you will die before me nobody knows only God knows I could just cross the street and get buy a car and die first right nobody knows and that's why we should all know try our best to investigate and find the truth because nobody knows when he's going to leave this life and who's leaving first so uh when it comes to Paul like as I said I have many videos where I talk about for examples the problems that James had with him the problems that Peter had with him him saying things which are not true him saying uh things about lying that are not so I have an issue with him based on studying him and his writings not based on people's opinions and what they say or what they don't say that's why I have an issue with him so when you say for example Paul said this this is what you started your your discussion with uh about the death and the crucifixion whatever I'm I'm not really I wouldn't be really interested in that much because Paul is not author for me but before I I continue to comment on what you said I just want to ask you just a small question uh why do you believe in the New Testament when it comes after the Old Testament and the Old Testament people don't accept the New Testament I got a real simple answer because the Old Testament is a I'm sorry the New Testament is a continuation of what's in the Old if you look at the Old Testament it's all about the blood you know when they when when they had the Exodus the blood was put over the the posts uh Leviticus talks about uh uh what is it the Salvation being only in the blood I'm not I'm not saying that right but without blood there's no atonement and that's it was a picture of Christ all through the Old Testament all these sacrifices these Bud sacrifices especially the Lambs they were all about what would who who would come later would be the Lamb of God which uh John the Baptist talked about in Mark is Jesus Christ the Lamb of God whose blood will cleanse everyone from their sin he's the he's our high priest the high priest in the Old Testament they they were only a high priest for I don't know 40 or 70 years when they died then they had to be replaced but Christ according to the book uh in Hebrews New Testament Christ is our is our high priest and he doesn't have to keep dying over and over and over again he died once for all on the cross so the Old Testament is not just a book separate from the new there's a little saying that goes something like in the Old Testament the New Testament is revealed and in the New Testament the Old Testament is concealed uh so it's not two separate books we as Christians believe in the 39 books of the Old Testament now we don't go by the levitical law we're not under that law we can eat pork I know 7day Adventist some other Christian denominations say no no you can't eat pork you got to worship on the Sabbath we have our denominational conflicts but that doesn't matter that the core is that Jesus Christ is our God and savior John 1:1 in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the Word was God not a small yeah sorry R because I just want to stay on on the continuation point so I appreciate the answer that you gave me and I'll will tell you you asked me the question so I I I believe you responded on my behalf when you ask me why do you believe in the Quran when it comes after the Bible I'll respond to the same answer that you gave to believe the Quran is a continuation of the messages that were sent by God God sent gave a message to Moses he gave a message to Jesus and then he gave a message to Prophet Muhammad so the same logic and reasoning that you use for believing you answered it for me and this is what I just wanted to do that's why I asked you the question I responded to your question I let you respond to your own question which is that Muslims believe that it's a continuation now you might come and say oh no it's not a continuation because it disagrees and this and that I'll tell you the Jewish people will tell you the same thing they will tell you your new testament is not a continuation of us we have a different understanding so they can also make the same argument any argument that you you will use to tell me that Islam is not a continuation the Jewish people can use against you of telling you that Christianity is not continuation but in the end the reason you believe in it is because you believe it's a continuation you believe in progressive revelation and I'll tell you the same thing you ask me why do I believe in Islam because it's a continuation it's a progressive revelation but most importantly is because I have proofs undoubtable evidences that Islam is the truth even with the biblical standards like the the bib the Bible has standards for prophets if they prophesize the future and what they say happens then they are the prophets sent by God they're speaking on behalf of God according to Deuteronomy for example Deuteronomy mentions that chapter 18 so if Deuteronomy says that and I look at Prophet Muhammad and he makes tens of prophecies about the the future none of them are false all of them take place then that must be a messenger of God he came with the same messages only one God Alone he came with evidences in the Quran that are undeniable facts and proofs and realities and is free from contradictions and errors so why I do believe in Islam because of all of that and because of the fact that it is a continuation of the previous scripture right so uh this when it comes to Jesus by the way I just want to add the last thing you talked about the crucifixion I already told you what a historians said Paul as I said is not reliable for me what historians say I don't have an issue with it because there isn't anything written from the time of Jesus it's just word of hearsay and that's how history Works heay about what happened that comes hundreds of years later that Jesus was crucified I say that's not a reliable piece of information I'm not going to base my salvation on that and I say even the scripture that you have uh Roy Roy or Ray I don't know what you to call you but even the scripture that you have uh that you're reading with you I'll say even that shows a contradiction in the account of the uh crucifixion of Jesus I see even if the scripture itself shows a contradiction let alone anything outside like it mentions do you know which Jesus if you just tell me the day do you know which day Jesus was crucified which day exactly do you know well you know there's difference of opinion that we got Good Friday where he was put on the cross and then the Jews counted one day or a few hours of a day a day so look it doesn't matter it doesn't matter whether he Sor I'm sorry R I just want if you can tell me what the Bible says like if you read John John 19:31 for example if you read that it tells you exactly that it was on Friday happened on Friday it mentions that it was the day before the Sabbath so even if someone tells me my interpretation whatever I'll say the scripture is clear it says it was the day before the Sabbath and it says he rose on Sunday Easter so if he rose on Sunday and he died on on Friday these are not three days and three nights you look at the the the Bible you say Jesus claiming that he will die for three days and three nights so I say that is a contradiction in the account of the crucifiction in the Bible itself I don't need to go far and when you see contradictions you know that this information is not historically reliable so it does matter right and I would urge you to do research on that because it was not three days and three nights and Jesus says that he will be in the earth just like Jonah was three days and three nights and he wasn't there three days and three nights so that is a contradiction in what the Bible teaches about the the account there's other contradictions like if you see about the rock there was an angel there was no Angel when she lifted up The Rock Jesus was in the grave was not in the grave if you look at these different accounts you will come with different contradictions and I can if you'd like I'd recommend you a book that will show you that these inaccuracies and contradictions that exist even in the biblical narrative I don't need to look outside even the biblical narrative itself has an issue and that based on that when you ask me why I don't believe in it I'll say that these are all rational and objective reasons of which why I wouldn't believe it and I will take what God says that I know for a fact God said over any of that yeah if you check out the the Jewish uh participation of what a day means they don't have to have a 24-hour day they count just a few hours into another day as a day that's why Friday Saturday and Sunday would be considered the third day now you're going to disagree with that but check it out it's truthful the Jews had a different way they have different times uh you know if you read in in John's gospel it said uh it was pitch dark at noon and I think it says another time but we're John's talking about one time where the synoptic gospels are talking about Roman time and the Jewish had Jews had another time that's not a contradiction that that's like there's many things in in the gospels that Jesus said that they're not contradictions they're paradoxes or he would say he would give someone five talents someone two someone one the one that got to five he made five Jesus said even though you made five you're going to receive a whole lot more and the one that made two you're going to receive more the one that made one he said even what you even though you have nothing it's going to be taken away from you it doesn't make sense a lot of times I tell you what I'll be honest with you Ma I have I have trouble understanding a lot of things Jesus said in the gospels I like the Epistles better because they're more I don't know they they I can understand them better better Jesus is the many of his saying especially The Sermon on the Mount when he talked about you know turning your cheek and someone slaps you on the right are we going to do that today are we going to loan people money with no interest are we going to give away our money and not loan it to them I I have trouble understanding what Jesus said but I believe it I don't I'm not going to understand it all down here but I will someday and look I I want to get off here give some other people a chance but look I love you brother in Jesus Christ I mean that I I you're the you're the finest example of of any religion whether it's Muslim Buddhist Hindu you're a fine example of a human being and I love you in Christ and I hope that you will come to Christ because it says in Philippians that someday every need this is Philippians 28 uh one day every knee will bow bow every knee will bow to Jesus Christ the name that is above every name it's above Muhammad it's above any Prophet it's Jesus Christ and I know you're thinking I'm lunatic and you want me to go the other way but I'm just saying I love you bro and I hope you'll come to Christ someday thank you for letting me speak to you okay no problem I'll I'll just finish with a with a final statement first I want to say I appreciate your heartfelt kind of kind very kind and lovely words and I wish the same for you I wish Allah guides you to the truth and I'll say the one who raises and uplifts uh people is God uh the one who raises the names of prophets or people is God I don't see prophets as a competition whose name is above who I don't look at it that way I look at they're all coming from God and what's important is to follow the message of God the last thing I I'll say about what like to conclude about what you just mentioned and then I will uh kind of let you go inshallah so I can move to the next person but uh if if anyone reads the Bible I understand that I don't have a problem with what you said yes if you want to look at some people who say that the Jewish people would use the word day to refer to a period instead of referring to a day I'll have no problem but not a single you will never find a place where it mentions day and night and then it refers to a period of time because when it says day and night the word day there can only refer to the morning and cannot refer to a period of time so when he adds the word night then by necessity they have they have to be three days and three nights so I would say the argument you just told me it will not apply in this case unfortunately because it doesn't only say day it it mentions day and night which gives a clear separation we know that Jesus uh according to the Bible he was crucified after Friday night Friday or few hours before the Sabbath after the Last Supper it was in the night time and then Sunday afternoon when Easter the Easter day he rose according to the biblical account if this is the case then by definition these are not three days and three nights and that is a contradiction and that's why I say there is a problem in the historicity of whoever is writing this information you say you have problems to understand some of what Jesus is saying I'll say to you yes because I believe not everything that you read and that's my position not everything that you're reading in the Bible is from Jesus I don't believe God will tell you that if someone hits you give them the other cheek because you should defend yourself and that is an honorable thing that's not an evil thing or a bad thing that's a just thing to protect yourself to protect your family to protect people who are in need so I do hope as I said R I hope I really really hope that Allah guides you and you maybe you put more investigation and effort maybe rereading different things maybe looking because as you said this is a matter of Salvation and we all will stand before God and God will hold us all accountable for what we do and I appreciate as I said your your kind words and your respectful discussion very very respectful allow me to speak allow to speak I appreciate people like you and uh thank you for for uh coming on my friend all right I I would let you go if that's okay byebye I'll see you inah