God Logic Gets Absolutely Schooled After Confronting The Muslim Lantern Live! Muhammed Ali

So, how can I help you? God bless you. How can So, to give a bit of context, this is actually an old clip from 2023 nearly actually three years ago. This was my only interaction with this guy. So, you might be wondering why am I uploading it today? Why I didn't upload this conversation before. So, the first and most important thing is that this guy when I had a conversation with him, I had no clue who he was and it was barely known on social media. And I did sense, as you will see in the video, this guy is just coming for popularity, fame, to give himself, you know, shout outs. people can actually know who this guy is. So I made sure not to give him what he was looking for which is not uploading the video not allowing him to have that video on YouTube. But sadly since then almost all major duat have given him a platform made him popular which is very sad but I mean the case is different today this guy is known so it's not the same. The second thing is that this guy actually which is really funny he uploaded this conversation behind the pay wall on his Patreon. So imagine being one of his fans and paying money to watch this guy getting schooled. I really feel sorry for the people watching this guy. I'm not going to lie. But someone told me he did that. So I was like, "Okay, we're going to put the video out so he doesn't exploit his poor fan base watching him get schooled." Even one of his fans uploaded this conversation on YouTube like a few months ago. And what's so funny is he titled the video around that he won the conversation, but he got so many comments mocking him and telling him that the conversation is showing the opposite. So, he literally had to change the title. So, you'll see in this video why these kind of Christian apologists get schooled every time they actually engage with someone who knows what they're talking about and why most importantly it's a waste of time to engage with them because they're not sincere and not looking for anything. So, uh yeah, enjoy the video. >> But first, I have a question for you. First, I have a question for you. Some people are saying you are you you are anti-Islam or you curse Islam or you're negative towards Islam or or you've been insulting to other duat and other brothers and things like that. So, I'm giving you a chance to basically clarify these things because you know these are all just now anonymous information coming. So, I do not take anonymous information. So, let's hear from the the source. Yes, >> I I I appreciate that man. First of all, I want to say thank you for putting me on one. Um yeah, but to to answer your your question directly, I do criticize I have my criticisms against Islam. I'm a Christian myself. Um I have interfaith dialogues all the time and as you know someone who does this, these things can get quite emotional when you pose uh positions that you know people disagree with especially when they're super passionate. So um so if you want to see for yourself or like you'll see in this conversation >> you know if everybody's >> well you know you said yeah you said something about like being getting passionate is it look I get passionate sometimes no problem but you don't you're not going to see me being abusive I'm not going to use bad terms towards Christians or any other faith >> and and everyone has a challenge now I have hundreds of videos online go find me where I'm being abusive or using cursing language towards any community >> that's a challenge I can put and I will continue to put so I'm talking about this specifically using cursing language, demeaning language. Being passionate is not an excuse to do that. So, you're saying you don't do that? >> No. Yeah. I I don't cuss. I don't cuss personally myself. I don't believe as Christians that we should use curse words. >> Um when it comes to matching, but you know, there are times where I match people's energy where where I'm getting insulted. And so, upon provoke, you know, being provoked, that's when I'll respond sometimes, not all the time, but I'll respond uh with a similar energy, you know. Um, so a lot of times I actually just take take it on the chin. A lot of times I don't respond to insults and stuff like that. But sometimes I do and I match. >> What about mocking mocking other dua or things like that? Is that true? >> Mocking but >> Muslims Muslims basically people who invite to Islam and >> I I match energy with energy. If if the person that I'm speaking to >> you're being ambiguous there, you know, by match energy, you know. Okay. So you're saying if someone's abusive, you'll be abusive back. Is that what you say? >> I I I I will sometimes. Yes. But shouldn't you be a better human being and not to give negative energy towards negative energy being towards towards you? Like even if some people come and be abusive on this channel I don't give them the same energy. Doesn't Christianity teach Yeah. Doesn't Christianity teach to to give the other cheek? >> It's Yeah. So that's to our brothers >> to love your enemies and all of these different verses that we always hear Christian I love the ones who insult my mother and insult and stuff like that. I won't I won't insult their mother back or whatever. I may >> you love the people who who insult your mother. >> Yes, I do. The ones who curse me, my lord compels, hear from them, >> but but but still it's, you know, um when it comes to, you know, the the type of vibe that we're in and the energy, I I will talk trash back. I have no problem talking trash back. >> Yeah. >> Hopefully, we can all be better, isn't it? Hopefully, we can all try to be better, inshallah, and not to give the same because Allahel says in the Quran, there's a teaching now in the Quran. Allahel says in the Quran, push evil that is coming towards you. Repel the evil that is coming to towards you with goodness. You'll find the person that he was as if he's your enemy. He will be like your closest friend. The person who's giving you this negative energy and evil energy. The Quran, this is the teaching of the Quran is that you repel this negative energy that is coming towards you by being good and giving goodness towards the individual. and you will see surprising results, you know. Okay. So, you know, you're coming on here, so you probably have something you want to ask a question or something like that. What is it? What can I help you with? Yes. >> Before we get into the conversation, I want to I want to see if I can get your permission. If I can also post our discussion in full, no cuts, edits like that, but also on my channel as well. Is that okay with you? >> What how many subscribers do you have? >> 85,000. Thank the Lord. >> I do not know to be honest. The reason I do not know is because I do not like people to try to get uh promotions from from my discussions with them. This is what this is not something that I that I like. You know, obviously you can I do not know. I don't think I can tell you to do that. And maybe I'm not even going to upload this discussion on my channel. I I'll make that decision. And the reason is perhaps I find that it's better for me not to give you promotion. And I'm not being demeaning by saying that to you, but like factually I do have more audience than you do have more audience. So I see more of a benefit for you than it is for me for me to upload that that on my channel. I could do I could not do maybe we'll see after the discussion. I'll give you the the answer to that question at the end of the discussion. Just remind you and I'll tell you. Let's see how the discussion goes first. >> Okay. All right. Okay. So um my my question you know I heard you talking earlier to um I forgot the sister's name but you know you mentioned morality in in Islam you said that it was you know it's Islam is for the world and things of this nature and so this is where I have a huge critique um when it comes to the morality in Islam. I believe that it does teach some things that are um you know to just be to be real deplorable. >> Uh so the the number one thing for me would be the child marriage that >> Okay. Okay. Now before you start getting into because this is the thing there's no point of me having a discussion if your aim of this discussion is to just have a shotgun tactic where you will just throw claims and then expect me to answer one one your claim. No, no, no. I'm I'm just setting forth that kind of obviously the understanding so we know where we're going. I'm not accusing you of doing it. I'm saying that this is like this is how it should be. This is not what I do on my channel where I bring people to throw literally shotgun tactics and then I answer them. That's not how it works. So I will allow you to ask you can now determine now what what kind of questions you ask. I allow you to ask two questions specifically and then I will ask you two questions in return and then we can end the discussion there. So that can be a little bit better because it's already 11:00 here and I've already been live for a while. So let's see. You can choose your questions and I hope you choose. Sorry. >> Do you think that it might be better if I if I catch you on another time when you have more time? Because I I would like to have like a full conversation with you. I don't want this to be rushed or anything like that. >> Why is a full conversation for you? >> Like just where where there's barely no rush where there's no pressure on closing down or anything like that, you know? >> No, no, there's no pressure. But the reason I allow you to do that is because you already started with doing what every Christian does is like throw these common misconceptions about Islam or common fabricated or things which appear appear. No, no, I'm going to talk. I told you I allow you to ask the questions, isn't it? So I don't have an issue with you asking the question. It's not like this is new for me. But the thing is I don't have a I don't like to do this. This is for me wasting time. Someone comes and asks the common questions that everyone asks the same nons every every like I'm not saying what you doing. saying if someone does that and comes like just throws nonsense and leaves you just literally wasted my time you know so whether it is today >> and I'm not saying you're doing that whether this is today or tomorrow >> I will know from your questions if I if we need to engage and do more or not like I like to set forth everything from the beginning so we can know cuz I'm not going to be wasting like two three hours arguing back and forth >> I would allow I would allow yeah I would allow someone more time if I see sincerity that they're actually sincere they want to learn this and that cuz as you've seen there's many people who are waiting. There's many people who want to learn. There's many people who want to be educated and I have to be fair with all of them and I I'm very careful with my time. So if I don't see sincerity and I'm the one who judges the sincerity by the way you know some people might not like this but this I this is what I do right from my experience from the years that I've spent. I can judge from someone's behavior, character and and statements whether they're being sincere or not and I can it's my right to say I don't want to continue or I want to continue. >> So it's up to you now. You can choose your questions and I will ask you questions and then we can see if you want to further the discussion from there. we can see how things are. But this is I'm putting that as a baseline from the beginning. >> Okay. Okay. Because this is how the discussion seems to be going from what you you just said as the first thing. Go ahead. >> We haven't been able to like get into it. Like it sounds like um you know by going into the conversation you already said, "Oh, you know, I don't want you know the Christians doing the shotgun thing." Shotguning is when you boom points, boom points, boom points, right? Over and over back toback just and they're random, you know. But I I have a specific topic that I just had in mind when you brought it up and I was like, "Oh, okay. I wonder what he thinks about this." And >> I didn't bring up the topic that you asked about in the two and a half hours of discussion. That's not true. >> No, what I'm saying is that you morality and that's what, you know, triggered this for me. I was like, "Okay, so in this realm of Islamic morality, I want to talk about this and see what he thinks about this." It's just regular conversation. >> And no, no, I again I repeat the same thing I said. You're welcome to ask any questions that you like. I did not I did not say you can ask this or that. I just told you you have a limit of questions. Two for you, two for me, which is completely fair. I didn't say four for me and two for you. Three for me and one for you. I say it's fair discussion with the limit of questions. Why can't we just >> This is my rules. You know, you're welcome to make your own rules on your your own channel. You know, this is >> follow your lead. I'll follow your lead. You're right. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, um, since I'm limited to two questions, I guess I got to formulate this with, you know, so hopefully we can get to the meat of the manner. Um, so in regards to to child marriage, let me just ask you this. Let me just ask you this. Here's the first question. >> Um, do you believe at any point that there's a point where child relations is immoral? >> Elaborate what you mean by child relations. What do you mean by that? >> First first first to understand your your question, define a child. >> Second thing, define what do you mean by a child relations. >> Let's let's say um one who has not reached puberty yet. Let's let's go with that. That's like kind of the general. >> So so so the definition that was known throughout humanity basically that a child is someone who's under the age of puberty. That's the definition until they started inventing a new one recently. In every dictionary it was a child is someone who's under the age of puberty and adult someone who reaches the age of puberty. This is how it was. Okay. So I don't have a problem with that definition because I believe that is the human definition. Open any dictionary in English dictionary in the past they will have that definition. Okay. >> Yeah. >> And >> so yeah. So >> the relations the more the relations that you're talking about. What do you mean by that? >> Yeah. uh having I I don't want to get your like your thing flagged, but you know, for grown men to have relations with um >> Oh, okay. From a perverted point of view, you're asking a question, right? >> Well, that I mean that is a perverted. >> Okay. Okay. Now, now Okay. So this is the your question and the answer to that question is we have a criteria simple very simple criteria is is that no one can have intercourse or relation with anyone at any age if certain things are not there whether they are a child they are adult or whatever it is if there is any harm physically on that on that individual or psychologically on that individual in the future or in the present then that type of intercourse is not permissive So that person can be the age of 90 95 and then if you have intercourse with that woman >> will harm her physically that's not permissible does not matter whether a child or that person is the age of 90 if if that person is too young to the extent in which you having intercourse with them will cause them trauma will cause them psychological issues this and that then that is completely impermissible in Islam and that is based on the prophet's statement you're not allowed to cause harm to anyone or or yourself that is a principle that is one of the main principles that that are used in Islam to determine rulings. >> So, so just to be so, so my question to you the first because I remember you gave me two. So, I just wanted to be make sure I was specific. I don't want to go over and stuff like that. >> My my question was, do you believe that sex grow you know sexual relations with a child and we understand what a child is now uh at any point is is immoral. >> I answered you by giving you the general law of how we understand things. A general law of how you understand things does not answer my question. >> Meaning what determines No, it does answer your question. So I set you the age is irrelevant. Set you what determines it to be moral immoral because your question is a moral question. I set you what determines something to be moral immoral. Is is there physical or psychological harm on the individual or no? Now if you if you anyways relationships is only in marriage anyways in from an Islamic perspective. you don't have like uh sexual relations is outside of marriage anyway. So also has to be under all of the rules that to do with marriage now. So these two and also the idea of marriage because marriage will is is a necessity for you to have intercourse or or have a sexual relation with someone from an Islamic perspective. So I did answer you because I said it's not about age. You asked about the morality. I said what determines it to be morally immoral? It is these two principles. Whenever they are there it is both of them or one of them whenever they are there at any age becomes immoral and whenever they're not there then that is permissible under the marriage as I said under the all of the pretext of the marriages and the marriage happening in an Islamic way. >> All right. So I just want to make sure I understand you. There's a few things I disagree with about like marriage being required for sexual intercourse and like with sex slaves. I don't think that that's there but that's something else. When it comes to to children, you're saying that as long as it doesn't hurt the child, then it is then it is okay. Sex child sexual relations is okay as long as it doesn't hurt the child. Is that correct? >> I didn't use that terminology. I use my terminology. You can take it or leave it. I don't I don't care. You want me to give you a specific answer with certain words you're looking for. I'm not going to give you what you're looking for. I'll give you a general principle that applies to all cases and scenarios. And this shows you're not looking for the answer. You're you're trying to look for a specific terminology that you want me to specifically give you and and I already give you an answer. You like it, you can take it, you leave it. It's up to you. When you mention sex slave and you try to do again what I said, the chun tactic by throwing a low blow by trying to mention something as if you've not mentioned it and I'm going to let it go this time, but next time I will I will consider the a question because you are mentioning something and that you're trying to imply because in Islam there's no such thing as an sex slave. And from what I recall, the Bible says you can beat your slave to death and if he dies a day later, there's no problem because he's your property. So I I I can do that. I can do these low blows and throw verses here and there. I don't do that. So we stick on the question and the specific things you ask a question about when it is moral, when it is not moral sexual relations. And then I answered you whether they are a child or not a child. If these two things are present, then it is not permissible. If they're not present, then it is impermiss. Simple. Done. Which is why which is why the the the general thing that you're giving me is not a direct answer to my question to you. >> I don't need to answer you the way you like. This is my >> This is just >> Yeah. Okay. I just want to just get this out if I can. Is that >> um when I ask you a very straightforward question, it's either yes or no like type of thing, right? You gave me the the general understanding of this which is cool. It's fine. I actually agree with you. According to the the law, according to the Jewish prudence, you are allowed as long as it doesn't doesn't um as long as it doesn't hurt the girl. As long as she's able for it and it doesn't hurt her, you are allowed to, you know, >> from which way? Physically or psychologically? >> Uh physically. >> Oh, so not psychologically. >> It doesn't doesn't mention that in the Sharia. >> No, I already and it does mention it because I told you what mentions it had of the prophet. Well, I well from what I saw from the Jewish prudence and I I could show you. >> I've studied Jewish prudence more than you. So, I know it does say I am correcting you. I am correcting you there. That's not the case. >> Wait, it is it is taken. Look, they say things which are are obvious are not to be mentioned. So, scholars do not need to mention every specific detail of everything. There's a general rule. It's one of the main principles I've already mentioned you in Islam. One of five ma major principles in Jewish prudence is the idea of harm. Anything that causes harm to the person or another person another individual is by necessity not permissible cannot be causing harm to other and I'll give you the hadith of the prophet it's irrelevant what they say in their books I already gave you what the prophet himself literally right where the religion comes from said so you can say they said this they didn't say that so if anyone can establish that there is a psychological harm that will take place then that becomes impermissible now again I think I've did I did deal with that question I don't like like to go in circles for hundreds of years answering the same thing. If you want to move to the next next point, we can answer it. Otherwise, and like it seems like you want to stick with one point trying to do a specific thing, don't waste my time to do that. >> I said a flowing conversation. If I can't just make one last thing on that, just responding to you and I'll be done. Sure. If that's okay. >> No, no, because you're asking a question. You How would you respond if you're asking a question? >> Well, no, because I'm not asking a question per se. I'm responding to what you said before I ask my second question. So, so you already have a point of view that you want to demonstrate, but you're asking me the question to pretend that you're looking for an answer, but in reality, you just want to say what you have in your mind. >> So, this is what it is with Muhammad. >> Or is it that you're looking for an answer? Which one is it? >> Let me let me tell you. Let me tell you. Okay, >> tell me. >> I I've studied the subject, right? I've looked at the Jewish prudence. I looked at the taps. I looked at the scholars. I looked at this stuff. And so I have, you know, what I believe in my conclusion based off the, you know, the information that I have on the, you know, the conclusion that I have, right? Um, and I'm willing to have that discussion with you. And if I can, you know, if I'm show, if you can show me something where I'm missing a thing, I'm willing to take that. I'm not opposed to new information that you present, but I'm just hoping that we can actually talk about it. But it sounds like it's like you're kind of shying away from the full conversation. You don't want to talk. >> Gas lighting doesn't work, by the And I will I will highlight if you try to gaslight. >> Well, so so then >> you're speaking on my behalf. It's gaslighting. Try to say I'm for the conversation. So that doesn't work with older >> but you did that to me saying I'm shotgunning. I'm throwing low blows. >> That's not true. You're gas you're saying that you're you're gaslighting. You can say those things about me. >> So if you're if you're No, no, no. Okay. Look, you're not you're you are now with all respect lying respectfully cuz I said in the beginning I'm not accusing you of doing that. But Christians do the shotgun tactics. This is I was very clear saying that if you want me to rewind rewind the video now we're alive. I can do it. Right? So don't accuse me of something I didn't say. I'm not accusing you of doing it. I'm saying that this is like this is how it should be. I actually was very explicit saying I'm not accusing you of that. So don't please do not misrepresent my position. Right? Look, I'm very careful. Look, I'm very careful about what I say. Okay? That's the first thing. The second thing, I was also very careful that you're allowed to ask two questions. And then I answered your question and then you asked the question again. I repeated the answer again. Then you asked the question again. I repeated the answer again. And that's why I said we're not going to keep going in a circle of me repeating the same question hundreds of times, right? It's wasting my time and the viewers time. If you got a question >> asking the same question. I just wanted to respond to what you just said so we can move on if I can. >> No, no, no. This is this is this is a person asking the other person's questions here. It's not I'm not here to debate. I'm here to answer questions. You asked a question. I answered you. Now, I'll let you say the point. Look, I'll let you say the point because you you you seem like you want to get something out. So, get it out now. So, can we can move on. Go ahead. >> I I appreciate you. So >> no problem. Yes. >> In response to what you were saying, you said that you knew the Jewish prudence on this. So do I. And according to the Jewish prudence, >> so you know, do you know the Jewish prudence >> on on this on this particular >> on this issue? Okay. So what did Im Shafi say in his book about this? >> Wait, hold on. So I I can pull up the encyclopedia of Jewish prudence where they give >> No, no. There's no such thing as an encyclopedia of Jewish prudence that Muslims take to be to be reliable. >> Can I share my screen then and show you? >> No, no, no, no. I cannot allow you to share. I don't know. I know you're going to show on your screen. It's I don't I don't know you with all the respect. I to make you share the screen, you know. >> How about I send you the link and you show it. >> What link you going to send? >> I I'll I'll send it to you and you >> No, no, before you send it. What? What is it that you want to show? >> Okay. It It gives the ruling the ruling from the four schools of juristp prudence on Marian. >> Which website? Which website? Which website? >> Let me give it to you. It's from >> Dora.net. >> Dora. >> Ra.net. >> Okay. I have never heard of this website in my life. Therefore, I it is look look when someone says I've studied the Jewish prudence. >> That means they've opened the books of the schools of thought. I don't think you even know. Can you tell me the names of the four four schools of thought of Islam? >> You have Hanafi. You >> Without Google Without Googling, please can you can you move your hand from the keyboard please? >> I'm literally going off I'm literally going off memory. I'm literally >> Yeah. Tell Tell me what are the names? No. Look at me. Look at me and tell me. Please please please because you studied the Jewish brothers. Please please don't do this because I respect people who are honest. You can say I do not know. >> What? Look what I'm looking at right now is >> already Google. >> I can't. >> Okay. Can you look at me, please? >> Can I send you >> Can you look Can you look at me? No. Okay. Can you tell me where is the names of the Jewish? Oh, no. Again, you're looking at the screen, please. I can see. Okay. Tell me >> that I can off the top of my head or Shaf. >> That's There's two. >> There are four. Look at me. Please, please, please. >> I just said that there's two that I can name off the top of my head. >> Okay, that's what I just said. >> God logic. Please focus me here. Look at me. No, look at me. Please, please, please look at me. I'm making a point. Please. Again, you're you're researching. >> No, I'm I'm not researching anything. I'm >> You can research if you like. It's okay. But the thing is, look at me, please. >> I have I'm sending you the link. Like, I don't I don't know everything. >> We'll come to the link. I'm just trying to make a point. Can you look at me for a second? >> Sure. >> Okay. You claim God logic. You claim that you've studied Islamic Jewish prudence >> on this subject. >> No, on this subject and you cannot even name the names of the four schools, which is a basic ABC. >> No. again please. Now you're interrupting me when I'm speaking, right? >> Sorry. >> Can you not interrupt each other? >> No, no. I I'll finish something and I'll let you speak. Okay. Look. >> Yes. >> Four schools of thought. You don't even know the names of the four schools of thought which is a basic baby who child Jewish prudence will know in Islamic studies. But you claim you know the positions of the four Jewish prudence. You don't know their full names on this matter. Do you know? Okay. What did the the people who founded these schools of thought are called? What is the name of the founder of of Please, can you look at me and not Google? >> I'm just giving you the links, man. >> No, no, don't give me the link. I don't need it now. >> The link is in the private chat. I hope that you can put it up because right now what you're doing, >> you send the link. Okay, you we'll come to the link. You send the link. Can you look at me now? >> So, I'm not I'm not interested in deflecting off of I just want to get straight. >> No, no, I'm not deflecting. I'm showing to the viewers whether you you are No, no. I'm showing to the viewers whether you're saying the truth or you're lying. With all due respect because you claimed you studied, >> you know, you claimed you studied the the the schools of thought and the Jewish prudence on this issue. So, can you look at me please? >> So, no. So, dude, >> can do you agree on something? I want to ask you a question. I want to ask you a question. Look, look, How about this? How about >> again? Look, now you're not letting me speak like what's going on. >> You asked me a question, did you not? >> No, I'm No, no, no. I'm I'm You not allowed me to even ask the question yet. >> Okay, I I'll I'll stay muted. Don't even ask me it. Just make your point and I'll stay muted. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a discussion. Look, God loves you, please. >> Yeah, God loves you. I'm just clarifying a point you made. You said you studied the four schools of thought. >> Would you agree with me that the four schools of thought of Islam is not a website called daughter.net? The four schools of thought of Islam before the existence of the internet and before websites were made, they are written books written on the four on the Jewish prudence of the four schools of thought. Do you agree with this? >> Can I answer you? Can I answer you? >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Thank you so much. So on the on the link it gives you the ruling from the four schools of thought. >> Who's the founder of the website? Who's the founder of the website ruling? >> Who's the founder of the website? How who's the how do you know he's giving you reliable? You don't know. How do you know he's giving you reliable information? >> Look look this this is my thing. If you want to criticize the the the person who built the website, then you have all you have all just do it. Go ahead. >> No no no. I'm I'm critic I'll tell you why I'm criticizing you not him. Because you are the one who made the claim. We've done research and it is not said it is not research when I Google something on a website and I don't even know who the founder is and I find information if I did that with Christianity or other religions I'll be a mockery in the in the scenes of the challenging and and discussions the reason being is there are books that I open like the book of the Bible itself not googling what the Bible says but actually opening the Bible itself and reading it reading the actual books of the Christian history what the church father says quote unquote this is how you learn this is the sources of information now you do not even know who are the founders of the four schools of thought you do not know the names of the two of the schools of thought you do not know the founders you do not know the name of the books that they've written because I didn't ask you now and I can name all of them the difference between he's done the research actually on this matter I can tell you the names of the books and the names of the meaning the opinion that is taken in the madhab probably you're not aware with that terminology anyways but the opinion that is taken in the madhab and who wrote the book and everything like that that doesn't mean I'm boosting my knowledge in this issue but I'm saying I'm not going to say I've done research unless I've actually done research and actually doing research is actually opening the sources, the primary source is material, not a website somewhere on Google that that puts opinions based on what they think the the schools of thought said. Now, to me, look, I I told you it's irrelevant for me. Now, now the last thing I'm going to say and then you can speak. I'm just finishing the statement. It's irrelevant for me what any website says because I don't need to rely on websites. I've opened the material the materials themselves, the primary source materials. And what concerns a Muslim, every Muslim, is what the Quran and Sunnah says. So unless you bring me evidences from the Quran from the prophet statements like I gave you when I told you about the harm principle I give you a hadith a statement of the prophetam where that principle is derived from this is how things works in the Quran and sunnah you bring the evidences from the Quran and sunnah and then you use them to demonstrate a position to be accurate or not accurate. So of course go ahead. Yes. >> Just one question so I could just My point is is simple. >> Yes. >> Did I was I correct on when I named two of the four schools of thought. Was that correct? >> What what what is the names you said? You said Maliki. >> I said Hanfi and Shafi. I didn't mention Maliki yet. >> Yes. Hanafi and Shafi is correct. Yes. >> So Malaki is the third and then there's a fourth that I that slip in my mind. But >> I just told you about Malik. But yeah, the other one. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Wait. You just you just reminded me of that one and then the other. Thank you. Thank you so much. So So here here's the thing. what you try and I'm now I'm just going to say my point because what you how you tried to frame this is as if see you don't even know the four schools of you don't even know the four schools of thought you don't know the four schools of jurist prudence you haven't done the research yet I didn't say that >> because you can't name all four that was what you that's was what that's what you pictured yet ignoring that I gave you two correct names I gave you two correct names while I admittedly said while the other two are slipping my mind I don't have to memorize everything that doesn't mean I didn't do the research I don't know this so I think that that is a you know it's a little slippery move but you know it doesn't it doesn't work here with me like that's not >> answer that now >> no please because I I sat I I sat patiently and I wait >> No but you made a claim about me now not about points >> but you you made multiple claims about me that I didn't get to respond to until you finished >> that's not true I did ask you I said do you know X Y and Zed I didn't make a claim >> No no no no no wait I didn't I didn't make again please look you said >> no no no I'm I'm just going to refute what you just said. You claim that I said you do not know the name of this. >> Allow me to jump in and correct you when you said something about me that I disagree with. I had to wait until you got it all out. So, I'm asking for the of, you know, respect here that you let me get it all out and then respond. Let me finish at least first. Like, I let you finish. You demanded that I let you finish and I did. >> Did you finish the what you said about me? No, no, no. The topic about me. Did you finish it? >> I'm not done. I'm not >> Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Thank you so much. >> So I was correct giving you a couple of the names of the schools of thought missing the other two that I said is not hitting my mind right now. That doesn't mean that I didn't know that didn't understand or didn't look at what they said or taught. If you are in doubt about anything about what I'm saying about what they what the consensus is when it comes to the four schools of Jewish prudence from Maliki, Shafi, Hanbal, uh um you know any of them go like you said you have go to the original sources into the book dorm.net gives you the encyclopedia of the rulings from the four schools of thought and gives you what they say. So, thank God for the internet that we have access to these and it's legit. If you want to go check it out, be my guest. Scrutinize it. Go check out what humbly says, what it says in Maki Shafi. Go ahead, check it out. I I you know, I'm not telling you not to. But don't say that. Oh, well, you're you're looking you're you're using an online website, not Google, by the way. It's dora.net. So, don't say don't try to frame it like I'm uh googling and you that's not what this is. This is dora.net. Anybody can check it out. I gave you the link in the private chat. Please share it or with yourself take it, you know, look at it. I'm not being, you know, sneaky about anything here. And according to the four schools of thought, they're very specific when it comes to uh consummation with a minor that it's allowed as long as she can take it, as long as she is able to handle it. It has not they have say nothing about her mental um her mental stability or whatever like that. That's not even that that's that's not even a factor here when it comes to the ruling. So I'm I'm finished now. >> Okay. Uh look, this is why I don't have discussions with all respected individuals like you because the the discussions end up being you said I said you said I said instead of us talking about the actual what's going on and it ends up being well he's so he's so proud. Yeah. He you think that you know what you said this this and that. I said this is and that and then we argue with each other about nonsensical things which is a waste of my time and people's viewers time. And that's why I don't have discussions with people like you. And that's why in the beginning of the discussions I said that we will have two questions and then I did answer your questions and then you kicked in a circle because that's what you guys do. So the thing is is very simple. Look you have misrepresented what I said clearly because that's the only defense you have. I did not say that because you do not know the four names of the school of thought. Therefore something this is not the claim I was making. Claim I was making was you don't even know the names of them and you pretend you've done your research. There's the difference. Now what I said is you you said I've done the research. I've looked at the schools of thought. You don't even know the names. How did you do the research and look at the school of thoughts when you don't even know the names of the school of thoughts. This is the point I'm making. You do not know the names of the founders of the schools of thought. You do not know the books that they've written. You do not know what their mab and then you went or when I say Google, this is where you find the website. You found in Google and then you ended up after founding d.net in Google saying what you found there which you believe is the scenario in the case and you lied by with all the respect because it's the consensus and there's no consensus even in the website if I open it now you're not going to find consensus of what you said now there are there are there are okay there are scholars who defer in the discussion here regarding the details of the attributes right regarding the details of the consummation and what takes place and all of that you've not brought that you do not even know probably what they said about these things you do not know what she says about this issue specifically as I said to And look as I said now the argument becomes now and this is not what I'm here to do. The argument with me and you is not about what this website or that website says. My argument is simple. My argument is what the Quran and Sunnah says. Can open the Quran can open the hadith and bring your arguments there and I'm going to respond to you. You want to say this scholar said I do not worship a scholar. Neither does any one of the followers here worship a scholar. When you say this scholar did not mention this specific scholar did not mention the idea about harm. I can open any book of and you will find the idea of harm that I was talking to you about being put as a main principle in jurist prudence. The idea that you cannot cause harm. So it is already a well-known factor. You do not need to mention something which is obvious and is well known. So the idea of harm there includes the physical and psychological. It's a very well-known aspect and a principle in you cannot derive rulings from do anything without that principle being present. Anyways you've not studied Jewish presence in Islam. That's why you don't know this point. Therefore they do not necessarily need to mention it every time they speak because this is a given. It is a very well-known thing as a principle. You already mentioned it as one of the principles of jurist prudence. Now look, as I said, I said I'll let you say your thing, but instead of saying your thing, you went to you said, I said, you said. Look, you want to move on to your next question so we can end up with this instead of going in circles and you trying to avoid me asking you questions, which is I'm assuming what you're doing right now. That's why you keep repeating you didn't answer my question. So I do not get to ask you questions. So look, I I'm I'm honestly not even interested in asking you questions because I know you're not from my point of view, I don't see like sincerity coming from your side. But the thing is, look, >> go ahead. Where's your next question? I'll let you ask your next question and then we can end. As I said, it's already 11:00 and we we've been almost like 30 minutes now talking. Go ahead. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. So you you said that I lied. >> I said next question. Please, if you're not willing to do that, there's no point of us continuing. >> No, no, I'm willing to go. I just wanted to just mention that he said that I >> because you will keep saying I said and then I will keep saying you said and then we do that at infinitive. >> Notice how I'm the only one who brought a source here while you're just bringing claims that you haven't brought anything saying what you're saying. >> I brought the prophetam. What are you talking about? >> No, but you so based on the >> No, the hadith says nothing about mental stability. It says nothing about that. It does not >> Does the hadith say Does the hadith say Does the hadith say you're not allowed? No. No. No. No. You're lying now. again. Does the hadith say you're not allowed you're not allowed to cause harm? >> You're supposed to be the cool ones. >> Does the hadith say because you claimed I didn't bring sources. Does the hadith say you're not allowed to cause harm? >> Yes. It says you're not allowed to cause harm. Now the scholars Okay. Okay. If you marry look again I'm not again if you marry a young if you marry a young no. If you marry a young girl that there will be psychological harm. Does the hadith include that situation? >> Uh the hadith doesn't include any type of psychological harm. >> Okay. Harm. Well, it was it was it was not nice talking to you, but I'll let you go. >> Okay. This is the thing. You cannot have a discussion with someone who's like essentially lying, you know, like see the has nothing to do with it. Even though there is our